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Sandboxie has been providing similar functionality on versions of Windows since XP: https://www.sandboxie.com/ https://www.sandboxie.com/ It's probably nowhere

by chungy 8y ago

Sandboxie has been providing similar functionality on versions of Windows since XP: https://www.sandboxie.com/ https://www.sandboxie.com/ It's probably nowhere near as elegant as the Windows 10 feature, but it should be very handy if you have older versions of Windows!

voltagex_ 8y ago
Sandboxie is a UI nightmare IMO - it took me ages to work out how to launch a single program in a sandbox.
- chungy 8y ago
  Interesting. How long ago was this? I've used Sandboxie for around 10 years and in that entire time, it has always just been a matter of right-clicking the program and "Run Sandboxed", even trivially accessing the sandboxed start menu via the notification icon.
  - revanx_ 8y ago
    I agree, been using Sandboxie for way over 6 years now and it's the easiest thing ever to use.
- superasn 8y ago
  Yes it's one of the examples of brilliant coding marred by a very unintuitive user interface. I've used it many times on occasion but always end up uninstalling it because it makes such simple things so complicated.
arkitaip 8y ago
Sandboxie is a broken POS. I gave up on it a few months ago after getting tired of having to troubleshoot why another app wasn't working the way it should.
- morrbo 8y ago
  I don't think that's a fair comment to make. It's obviously not broken. I've used it myself to run games downloaded from torrents and it was fine. It also supports office installations and a whole other loaf of stuff. Whilst I agree that the UI isn't the best (at least when I used it) calling it a piece of shit without providing specifics isn't helping anyone
revanx_ 8y ago
Do you have any info that shows it's not "as elegant"? Sandboxie works great for me and has always done it's job.
- chungy 8y ago
  No, but I assume the Windows kernel developers are more capable of wrestling with all the nitty gritty details than Sandboxie is (though it too provides a kernel driver in order to operate, I'm sure there's a lot of similarities).
jchw 8y ago
I would want to know how the software works before really trusting it. Like, I am aware since XP (NT?) Windows has had some ability to drop privileges, but I have no idea what the Windows API offers for isolation. If it were to use a solution like patching NTDLL routines in memory it would be escapable by syscalling manually, so surely that can't be it. What is the magic API they can use to sandbox and isolate IPC, files, the registry?
finchisko 8y ago
Sandboxie is actually still superior to this Windows Sandbox, as it allows you to continually run an app in the sandbox. In Windows Sandbox, once you close the app, your stored data, settings etc. are gone. But yes, it's UI is horrible and might be difficult to setup (apps with incorrect setup might not even run).
- handzbagz 8y ago
  They clearly have different use cases, I don't think it's fair to say one is necessarily better because of it.
  - finchisko 8y ago
    Yes you're right, I was bit harsh, but not intentionally.
cenal 8y ago
If you run a business the folks at http://bromium.com http://bromium.com do this at an enterprise level.
vince14 8y ago
Apparently you've to uninstall Sandboxie for this update: https://i.imgur.com/oVKzdq0.png https://i.imgur.com/oVKzdq0.png
- zamadatix 8y ago
  You have to uninstall Sandboxie for every Windows (kernel version) update due to how deeply it is tied to the OS.

by chungy 8y ago

voltagex_ 8y ago

Sandboxie is a UI nightmare IMO - it took me ages to work out how to launch a single program in a sandbox.

chungy 8y ago
Interesting. How long ago was this? I've used Sandboxie for around 10 years and in that entire time, it has always just been a matter of right-clicking the program and "Run Sandboxed", even trivially accessing the sandboxed start menu via the notification icon.
- revanx_ 8y ago
  I agree, been using Sandboxie for way over 6 years now and it's the easiest thing ever to use.
superasn 8y ago
Yes it's one of the examples of brilliant coding marred by a very unintuitive user interface. I've used it many times on occasion but always end up uninstalling it because it makes such simple things so complicated.

arkitaip 8y ago

Sandboxie is a broken POS. I gave up on it a few months ago after getting tired of having to troubleshoot why another app wasn't working the way it should.

morrbo 8y ago
I don't think that's a fair comment to make. It's obviously not broken. I've used it myself to run games downloaded from torrents and it was fine. It also supports office installations and a whole other loaf of stuff. Whilst I agree that the UI isn't the best (at least when I used it) calling it a piece of shit without providing specifics isn't helping anyone

revanx_ 8y ago

Do you have any info that shows it's not "as elegant"? Sandboxie works great for me and has always done it's job.

chungy 8y ago
No, but I assume the Windows kernel developers are more capable of wrestling with all the nitty gritty details than Sandboxie is (though it too provides a kernel driver in order to operate, I'm sure there's a lot of similarities).

jchw 8y ago

I would want to know how the software works before really trusting it. Like, I am aware since XP (NT?) Windows has had some ability to drop privileges, but I have no idea what the Windows API offers for isolation. If it were to use a solution like patching NTDLL routines in memory it would be escapable by syscalling manually, so surely that can't be it. What is the magic API they can use to sandbox and isolate IPC, files, the registry?

finchisko 8y ago

Sandboxie is actually still superior to this Windows Sandbox, as it allows you to continually run an app in the sandbox. In Windows Sandbox, once you close the app, your stored data, settings etc. are gone. But yes, it's UI is horrible and might be difficult to setup (apps with incorrect setup might not even run).

handzbagz 8y ago
They clearly have different use cases, I don't think it's fair to say one is necessarily better because of it.
- finchisko 8y ago
  Yes you're right, I was bit harsh, but not intentionally.

cenal 8y ago

If you run a business the folks at http://bromium.com http://bromium.com do this at an enterprise level.

vince14 8y ago

Apparently you've to uninstall Sandboxie for this update: https://i.imgur.com/oVKzdq0.png https://i.imgur.com/oVKzdq0.png

zamadatix 8y ago
You have to uninstall Sandboxie for every Windows (kernel version) update due to how deeply it is tied to the OS.