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Except "reduce the intake of nicotine, with some self discipline". In the UK, a lot of vape liquid is sold with no nicotine. You state your preferred level of

Except "reduce the intake of nicotine, with some self discipline". In the UK, a lot of vape liquid is sold with no nicotine. You state your preferred level of nicotine, and someone behind the desk tells you how much nicotine to purchase to get that level of nicotine in the vape. You can vape as is, with no nicotine, but what's the point unless you're quitting?

awakeasleep 8y ago
yes or simply "stop smoking" This article is an example of a bit of our society's insanity. Quitting nicotine is difficult. But people who want to quit work at it and achieve their goals. Throw the shit away, talk to your family for support, don't buy more. It's insane to imply that we need some sort of product or medical supervision to make a decision and work at something like quitting nicotine.
- treve 8y ago
  As it turns out many people don't have the willpower to kick the habit and die from smoking-related illnesses. How does does your suggestion to just quit help? Are you denying the existence of addiction to nicotine? If it were as simple as you describe, don't you think there wouldn't be a problem?
  - awakeasleep 8y ago
    There are a range of choices and lifestyles available to everyone. Habits and addictions, and choices play a role in that. Many people die from issues related to their habits and addictions. But I do not think it makes sense demand a product or medical intervention as a solution to all of them. Many harmful habits or addictions are best tackled with planning, decision making, and human effort. I think a good litmus test for whether something can reasonably require medical intervention is the danger to your health from quitting. It makes sense to intervene for someone going through alcohol withdrawal, because they can be injured from it. It does not make sense for e-cigs, because if someone actually desires to stop, there isn't anything threatening them except their habit. What would the outcome be, if there was a product to reduce the effort of quitting nicotine? It would simply improve nicotine itself, by removing the biggest reason to avoid it. We'd end up with people habitually taking two drugs, nicotine and the 'quitting drug'.
bad_user 8y ago
I’ve been a smoker and I can tell you, reducing the nicotine doesn’t work. And there is no such thing as “self discipline” that can help, unless you’re talking about quitting all smoking. A tiny amount of nicotine is enough to maintain or reactivate your physical addiction. This is why the phrase “once a smoker always a smoker”, because for people like me it doesn’t matter that we haven’t smoked in 4 years, a single cigarette will bring back that addiction with a vengeance. A minority of people supposedly have an easier time quitting. Hence the joke: Quitting is easy, I did it dozens of times already. Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances. AFAIK it ranks higher than drugs like cocaine. The best strategy is quitting cold turkey, but the withdrawal symptoms can be severe. For people that failed that, there is some medication available that can interfere with the brain receptors to reduce the cravings.
- pseudalopex 8y ago
  I know several people who quit smoking by switching to vaping and reducing the nicotine concentration. All of them had tried to quit before. At least one of them had tried medication. It does work for some people.

awakeasleep 8y ago

yes or simply "stop smoking" This article is an example of a bit of our society's insanity. Quitting nicotine is difficult. But people who want to quit work at it and achieve their goals. Throw the shit away, talk to your family for support, don't buy more. It's insane to imply that we need some sort of product or medical supervision to make a decision and work at something like quitting nicotine.

treve 8y ago
As it turns out many people don't have the willpower to kick the habit and die from smoking-related illnesses. How does does your suggestion to just quit help? Are you denying the existence of addiction to nicotine? If it were as simple as you describe, don't you think there wouldn't be a problem?
- awakeasleep 8y ago
  There are a range of choices and lifestyles available to everyone. Habits and addictions, and choices play a role in that. Many people die from issues related to their habits and addictions. But I do not think it makes sense demand a product or medical intervention as a solution to all of them. Many harmful habits or addictions are best tackled with planning, decision making, and human effort. I think a good litmus test for whether something can reasonably require medical intervention is the danger to your health from quitting. It makes sense to intervene for someone going through alcohol withdrawal, because they can be injured from it. It does not make sense for e-cigs, because if someone actually desires to stop, there isn't anything threatening them except their habit. What would the outcome be, if there was a product to reduce the effort of quitting nicotine? It would simply improve nicotine itself, by removing the biggest reason to avoid it. We'd end up with people habitually taking two drugs, nicotine and the 'quitting drug'.

bad_user 8y ago

I’ve been a smoker and I can tell you, reducing the nicotine doesn’t work. And there is no such thing as “self discipline” that can help, unless you’re talking about quitting all smoking. A tiny amount of nicotine is enough to maintain or reactivate your physical addiction. This is why the phrase “once a smoker always a smoker”, because for people like me it doesn’t matter that we haven’t smoked in 4 years, a single cigarette will bring back that addiction with a vengeance. A minority of people supposedly have an easier time quitting. Hence the joke: Quitting is easy, I did it dozens of times already. Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances. AFAIK it ranks higher than drugs like cocaine. The best strategy is quitting cold turkey, but the withdrawal symptoms can be severe. For people that failed that, there is some medication available that can interfere with the brain receptors to reduce the cravings.

pseudalopex 8y ago
I know several people who quit smoking by switching to vaping and reducing the nicotine concentration. All of them had tried to quit before. At least one of them had tried medication. It does work for some people.