> No one is going to be able to prop up an alternative ecosystem and get more traction than the language's own ecosystem node vs web browser? linux vs unix? ub

> No one is going to be able to prop up an alternative ecosystem and get more traction than the language's own ecosystem node vs web browser? linux vs unix? ubuntu vs debian? autotools vs base make? i'm sure these aren't the best examples. irrespective, you can (like|dislake) the language and (like|dislike) the ecosystem separately. "oh I hate programming in XYZ it's far too verbose but it really does have a nice package management system" yes, they are connected, but I don't criticize a hamburger by complaining about the taste of my soda..