I don't really want to get into it, but my point is not that, "it doesn't work," but rather, "no, we have actually tried that, so there must be more to the stor

I don't really want to get into it, but my point is not that, "it doesn't work," but rather, "no, we have actually tried that, so there must be more to the story." A key difference, for example, between Rust and the other projects you mention is the collective expectation of the community's involvement in the decision making process.