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I guess wouldn't you file suit against the police as they are now responsible?

by dalore 8y ago

freehunter 8y ago
The Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no responsibility to protect citizens [1]. You cannot sue the police for failing to respond because they legally don't have to respond. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-po...
- Falling3 8y ago
  Such an important case that most people have no idea about.
- rapind 8y ago
  Um what?!? That's astounding.
- userbinator 8y ago
  the police have no responsibility to protect citizens Then... what the hell are they for?!?! That is utterly insane.
  - nickpsecurity 8y ago
    To enforce the law based on the people in charges' priorities. That could be stuff that helps you or hurts you. Then, we maybe reduce the bad of that with Congress and courts. Just how it works. It's how it always worked. The "Protect and Serve" is just marketing. There's definitely plenty of cops that are about that, though. Even some that don't care will risk their lives protecting people because it's part of their job enforcing the law as their supervisors or police chiefs order them. It's all pretty complicated. In pro-gun areas, we are already operating with this assumption, though. That ruling just reinforced what many of us already believed and sometimes experienced. Each American is responsible for their own safety before anything or anyone else helps them. Each living person is responsible for deciding their own risk avoidance or tolerance in their various systems since there's no guarantee the system can protect them without their own action. It's up to use first and foremost.
TallGuyShort 8y ago
Judges have ruled multiple times that police actually have no responsibility to protect you or investigate on your behalf. It's a best-effort SLA.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> I guess wouldn't you file suit against the police as they are now responsible? The police (and government agents more generally) are not legally responsible to victims for decisions not pursue crimes, or not to prevent predictable future crimes.

I guess wouldn't you file suit against the police as they are now responsible?

by dalore 8y ago

I guess wouldn't you file suit against the police as they are now responsible?

The Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no responsibility to protect citizens [1]. You cannot sue the police for failing to respond because they legally don't have to respond. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-po...

Falling3 8y ago
Such an important case that most people have no idea about.
rapind 8y ago
Um what?!? That's astounding.
userbinator 8y ago
the police have no responsibility to protect citizens Then... what the hell are they for?!?! That is utterly insane.
- nickpsecurity 8y ago
  To enforce the law based on the people in charges' priorities. That could be stuff that helps you or hurts you. Then, we maybe reduce the bad of that with Congress and courts. Just how it works. It's how it always worked. The "Protect and Serve" is just marketing. There's definitely plenty of cops that are about that, though. Even some that don't care will risk their lives protecting people because it's part of their job enforcing the law as their supervisors or police chiefs order them. It's all pretty complicated. In pro-gun areas, we are already operating with this assumption, though. That ruling just reinforced what many of us already believed and sometimes experienced. Each American is responsible for their own safety before anything or anyone else helps them. Each living person is responsible for deciding their own risk avoidance or tolerance in their various systems since there's no guarantee the system can protect them without their own action. It's up to use first and foremost.

TallGuyShort 8y ago

Judges have ruled multiple times that police actually have no responsibility to protect you or investigate on your behalf. It's a best-effort SLA.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> I guess wouldn't you file suit against the police as they are now responsible? The police (and government agents more generally) are not legally responsible to victims for decisions not pursue crimes, or not to prevent predictable future crimes.