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> They get some of the best because they actually want to change the way access to space works. Are they really that concerned with getting "the best"? From wh

by rifung 8y ago

> They get some of the best because they actually want to change the way access to space works. Are they really that concerned with getting "the best"? From what I've heard, they expect you to work insane hours. That pretty much limits potential employees to those without a family or a life outside of work. Won't they just end up with the majority of their employees without significant experience this way? In many ways though I guess it operates very much like a startup. They sell dreams to get employees.

toss_it_quickly 8y ago
Anecdata and probably subject to some sort of bias, but of the only two people I know who have interned there (one personally, and one via open source contributions), the first was specifically called out as "the smartest person I've ever met" by our founders when we were acquired, and the second is Sergio Benitez[1]. [1]: https://sergio.bz/ https://sergio.bz/
- rifung 8y ago
  > of the only two people I know who have interned there I don't think you're disagreeing with me. I assume those people were relatively young since they interned there? I was not at all trying to imply they don't have talented people working there. It sounds like a great opportunity and honestly anyone who is willing to spend so much time on their craft should get good at it over time. I am just trying to say that they are also probably missing out on many talented people who don't want to commit so much time to work. I mean it's working out for them clearly. It seems they consider dedication to be more important than "talent" and I wouldn't necessarily say that's wrong. I only work in software which may be different but it's rare to encounter problems which require some sort of ingenuity. Most of the time work just involves.. putting in time and effort to get things done.
  - toss_it_quickly 8y ago
    I suppose in a broad sense we agree then. My point was that if that's the kind of person you're bringing through the door, it's a bit academic to point out that there are other good people who disagree with how you've organized the place and won't work there. The way I'm thinking about it, that disagreement only actually matters if it's the constraint on your organization's ability to get the people you need (however you choose to define that). I would not work SpaceX hours even though I'm a big fan. They're hiring engineers better than I, though, so I think that's a shrugworthy footnote from their perspective.
gamblor956 8y ago
I know a lot of current and former SpaceX employees, and can say that while they definitely used to get the best people (including a number of steals from JPL), the sheer hours has definitely negatively impacted their ability to hire the best. A number of truly genius engineers won't even consider SpaceX anymore because they're married/have children and simply won't put up with the hours. SpaceX still does a good job of bringing in stellar new graduates, but the lack of experience among so much of their workforce has definitely hampered their R&D.

by rifung 8y ago

toss_it_quickly 8y ago

Anecdata and probably subject to some sort of bias, but of the only two people I know who have interned there (one personally, and one via open source contributions), the first was specifically called out as "the smartest person I've ever met" by our founders when we were acquired, and the second is Sergio Benitez[1]. [1]: https://sergio.bz/ https://sergio.bz/

rifung 8y ago
> of the only two people I know who have interned there I don't think you're disagreeing with me. I assume those people were relatively young since they interned there? I was not at all trying to imply they don't have talented people working there. It sounds like a great opportunity and honestly anyone who is willing to spend so much time on their craft should get good at it over time. I am just trying to say that they are also probably missing out on many talented people who don't want to commit so much time to work. I mean it's working out for them clearly. It seems they consider dedication to be more important than "talent" and I wouldn't necessarily say that's wrong. I only work in software which may be different but it's rare to encounter problems which require some sort of ingenuity. Most of the time work just involves.. putting in time and effort to get things done.
- toss_it_quickly 8y ago
  I suppose in a broad sense we agree then. My point was that if that's the kind of person you're bringing through the door, it's a bit academic to point out that there are other good people who disagree with how you've organized the place and won't work there. The way I'm thinking about it, that disagreement only actually matters if it's the constraint on your organization's ability to get the people you need (however you choose to define that). I would not work SpaceX hours even though I'm a big fan. They're hiring engineers better than I, though, so I think that's a shrugworthy footnote from their perspective.

gamblor956 8y ago

I know a lot of current and former SpaceX employees, and can say that while they definitely used to get the best people (including a number of steals from JPL), the sheer hours has definitely negatively impacted their ability to hire the best. A number of truly genius engineers won't even consider SpaceX anymore because they're married/have children and simply won't put up with the hours. SpaceX still does a good job of bringing in stellar new graduates, but the lack of experience among so much of their workforce has definitely hampered their R&D.