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That's not entirely accurate. It depends on where you are and what the video camera is recording. I'm also not sure that creating a hoax device with the intent

That's not entirely accurate. It depends on where you are and what the video camera is recording. I'm also not sure that creating a hoax device with the intention of surreptitiously recording individuals that also damages their property and releases a chemical agent would be considered strictly "a security camera".

scarejunba 8y ago
Ah sorry. I was imagining we were talking about the porch camera.
spathi_fwiffo 8y ago
Would be an interesting court case. There can likely be no expectation of privacy trespassing on someone else's property. but, for the package. Can you have an expectation of privacy when opening an unknown-thing? The device isn't recording until it is opened. I could see logical arguments on both sides. But, since the audio/visual recording doesn't start until they open the thing it might be on the safe-side of wiretap laws?
- mmcwilliams 8y ago
  These are good questions, it's just my go-to line of thinking when I see surreptitious recording devices. Is this legal and is there liability? Recording audio without two-party consent in my state is illegal and only just recently were there any court cases where recording police officers without their knowledge wasn't prosecuted as wiretapping.
LanceH 8y ago
I'm not sure you have an expectation of privacy with stolen goods. Booby traps causing injury are illegal everywhere. Calling a smell a "chemical agent" is just inflammatory. Everything is a chemical, sure, but there is no chemical reaction involved here. Would you call perfume a "chemical agent"? It's just something that smells bad. The only danger would seem to be getting glitter in their eyes.
- Jernik 8y ago
  Someone could be allergic to this stink bomb, I know that it's unlikely, but you still have to consider that when thinking about possible liability issues
- mmcwilliams 8y ago
  My intention isn't to be inflammatory, but booby-trapping an aerosol spray can to release a spray designed to make someone uncomfortable just isn't a smart thing to do. Even if you think you're getting one over on a thief. If someone designed a trap to spray perfume on an unsuspecting person, I would describe it similarly.
  - caf 8y ago
    It doesn't seem all that different to cash dye packs, really.

scarejunba 8y ago

Ah sorry. I was imagining we were talking about the porch camera.

spathi_fwiffo 8y ago

Would be an interesting court case. There can likely be no expectation of privacy trespassing on someone else's property. but, for the package. Can you have an expectation of privacy when opening an unknown-thing? The device isn't recording until it is opened. I could see logical arguments on both sides. But, since the audio/visual recording doesn't start until they open the thing it might be on the safe-side of wiretap laws?

mmcwilliams 8y ago
These are good questions, it's just my go-to line of thinking when I see surreptitious recording devices. Is this legal and is there liability? Recording audio without two-party consent in my state is illegal and only just recently were there any court cases where recording police officers without their knowledge wasn't prosecuted as wiretapping.

LanceH 8y ago

I'm not sure you have an expectation of privacy with stolen goods. Booby traps causing injury are illegal everywhere. Calling a smell a "chemical agent" is just inflammatory. Everything is a chemical, sure, but there is no chemical reaction involved here. Would you call perfume a "chemical agent"? It's just something that smells bad. The only danger would seem to be getting glitter in their eyes.

Jernik 8y ago
Someone could be allergic to this stink bomb, I know that it's unlikely, but you still have to consider that when thinking about possible liability issues
mmcwilliams 8y ago
My intention isn't to be inflammatory, but booby-trapping an aerosol spray can to release a spray designed to make someone uncomfortable just isn't a smart thing to do. Even if you think you're getting one over on a thief. If someone designed a trap to spray perfume on an unsuspecting person, I would describe it similarly.
- caf 8y ago
  It doesn't seem all that different to cash dye packs, really.