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I wonder if this edge developer's moral indignation also extends to the repeated aggressive "move to edge" tactics. I'm sitting on my windows 10 laptop, where w

I wonder if this edge developer's moral indignation also extends to the repeated aggressive "move to edge" tactics. I'm sitting on my windows 10 laptop, where we went from "hey i can switch my browser at will" to "hey we buried it", and then also "when you try switch, it tries to convince you to stay with edge in the hopes you will get tired of trying to switch the defaults". But that's not enough, apparently, so it was also "when you browse with chrome or firefox, we give you notifications saying you are draining your battery faster and should move to edge"[1]. This predates the stuff talked about in this article. That's also like the start of these tactics. I'm sure Google and Mozilla asked Microsoft to stop doing that, "to no avail". Meanwhile, the complaint here is basically "they made our annoying and stupid notification not true". Having dealt with these tactics repeatedly, i can't work up any indignation over this. The only one i feel even mildly sorry for is Mozilla. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2016/8/3/12369326/microsoft-windows-10-chrome-battery-life-notifications https://www.theverge.com/2016/8/3/12369326/microsoft-windows...

jgon 8y ago
Wait a guy who works for a company that uses the world's most popular website (the google search homepage) to aggressively proselytize it's own browser is complaining about Windows prompting you to use Edge? For real dude? Edit: I'll expand. You work for a company the bundled Chrome as a default install with many other toolbars and utility programs. You sell a line of computing products where Chrome is not only the default, it is literally the only browser than can be installed. Chrome is the default browser on the world's most popular OS (Android). Multiple Google properties have refused to work on other browsers and displayed a popup asking people to switch the Chrome (Inbox is the one I remember most vividly). Here's a link to people trying to figure out how to get Chrome to stop asking to be default every time it opens: https://www.tenforums.com/browsers-email/59843-how-stop-google-chrome-not-your-default-browser-message.html https://www.tenforums.com/browsers-email/59843-how-stop-goog... As you can see it's not exactly an easy task. All of this, and probably more, and you're here talking about what Windows does? C'mon man.
- dontblink 8y ago
  What does that have to do with his point? Could you address his comment instead? "C'mon man."
  - jgon 8y ago
    He doesn't have a point. He has whataboutism. So I decided to address his whataboutism by pointing out that Google is honestly even worse at what he is talking about, and thus his whataboutism is in fact invalid. So in a roundabout way I did address his "point".
    - DannyBee 8y ago
      You certainly have an interesting perspective on what you did there. That comment would be equally as worthwhile and useful if you had started it with some other form of bias to justify it like "Wait, a woman who is black ...." If your comment starts with some form of "well you are an x so ...", it's probably not actually addressing anything other than your own interesting biases against people. Or you know, just dismiss whatever you want with bias and claims of whataboutism. I guess that works too! Despite your claim of whataboutism, i'm instead showing the author is incredibly conveniently eliding large parts of actual history in trying to make their point. You may want to argue those shouldn't matter (or make it worse). That's at least a more valid argument than you made. I would argue if you asked most people they do in fact matter because the world is not an abstract idealist paradise. The internet definitely never has been in the past, so saying it isn't in the future is not particular interesting.
- DannyBee 8y ago
  I am so unbelievably tired of the hacker news "you work for company x and therefore your opinion is tainted and you aren't allowed to have personal opinions" crap I don't even know where to begin. It's just another form of worthless bias being used to dismiss arguments. It's no different than any other form of bias, even if it seems more socially acceptable here. If you want to argue with what I actually wrote, happy to have that discussion. Otherwise, not interested, sorry.
justin66 8y ago
Microsoft was spamming users with messages saying Chrome or Firefox was draining their batteries and they ought to try Edge, and you think that justifies Google putting a feature in Youtube which actually drains an Edge user's batteries? Maybe you want to walk that statement back a bit? Wow.
belltaco 8y ago
>Meanwhile, the complaint here is basically "they made our annoying and stupid notification not true". What? I am so lost. The complaint is that video acceleration is being disabled, perhaps intentionally, resulting in loss of battery life. That is a bad thing for users, regardless of this whataboutism nonsense. If there was some reason the empty tag was added, Google PR is free to let us know. The fact that they did not is quite telling. How can you support something blatantly bad as this unless you work for that company? Oh wait... And Chrome is full of dirty tricks of it's own. For example they paid Gigabyte to add Google Chrome to show up as an 'update' to system software. http://puu.sh/CjVYU/804038501f.jpg http://puu.sh/CjVYU/804038501f.jpg So lets stop this, which company is worse thing and work towards fixing bugs and making users happier.
- justin66 8y ago
  > How can you support something blatantly bad as this unless you work for that company? I tend to agree with the point made in a different part of the thread that arguing against people based on the company they work for is not productive. People are more than just cogs in a machine and have a right to be regarded as such, even if it's just for the sake of argument. The correct question for DannyBee might be How can you support something blatantly bad as this even if you work for that company? I'm sure there are plenty of Googlers who would have a problem with deliberately adding a misfeature to a site to slow down a competitor's browser, plenty would fix a bug like that if it were reported and it was really just a bug, etc. Those guys aren't all in leadership positions...

jgon 8y ago

Wait a guy who works for a company that uses the world's most popular website (the google search homepage) to aggressively proselytize it's own browser is complaining about Windows prompting you to use Edge? For real dude? Edit: I'll expand. You work for a company the bundled Chrome as a default install with many other toolbars and utility programs. You sell a line of computing products where Chrome is not only the default, it is literally the only browser than can be installed. Chrome is the default browser on the world's most popular OS (Android). Multiple Google properties have refused to work on other browsers and displayed a popup asking people to switch the Chrome (Inbox is the one I remember most vividly). Here's a link to people trying to figure out how to get Chrome to stop asking to be default every time it opens: https://www.tenforums.com/browsers-email/59843-how-stop-google-chrome-not-your-default-browser-message.html https://www.tenforums.com/browsers-email/59843-how-stop-goog... As you can see it's not exactly an easy task. All of this, and probably more, and you're here talking about what Windows does? C'mon man.

dontblink 8y ago
What does that have to do with his point? Could you address his comment instead? "C'mon man."
- jgon 8y ago
  He doesn't have a point. He has whataboutism. So I decided to address his whataboutism by pointing out that Google is honestly even worse at what he is talking about, and thus his whataboutism is in fact invalid. So in a roundabout way I did address his "point".
  - DannyBee 8y ago
    You certainly have an interesting perspective on what you did there. That comment would be equally as worthwhile and useful if you had started it with some other form of bias to justify it like "Wait, a woman who is black ...." If your comment starts with some form of "well you are an x so ...", it's probably not actually addressing anything other than your own interesting biases against people. Or you know, just dismiss whatever you want with bias and claims of whataboutism. I guess that works too! Despite your claim of whataboutism, i'm instead showing the author is incredibly conveniently eliding large parts of actual history in trying to make their point. You may want to argue those shouldn't matter (or make it worse). That's at least a more valid argument than you made. I would argue if you asked most people they do in fact matter because the world is not an abstract idealist paradise. The internet definitely never has been in the past, so saying it isn't in the future is not particular interesting.
DannyBee 8y ago
I am so unbelievably tired of the hacker news "you work for company x and therefore your opinion is tainted and you aren't allowed to have personal opinions" crap I don't even know where to begin. It's just another form of worthless bias being used to dismiss arguments. It's no different than any other form of bias, even if it seems more socially acceptable here. If you want to argue with what I actually wrote, happy to have that discussion. Otherwise, not interested, sorry.

justin66 8y ago

Microsoft was spamming users with messages saying Chrome or Firefox was draining their batteries and they ought to try Edge, and you think that justifies Google putting a feature in Youtube which actually drains an Edge user's batteries? Maybe you want to walk that statement back a bit? Wow.

belltaco 8y ago

>Meanwhile, the complaint here is basically "they made our annoying and stupid notification not true". What? I am so lost. The complaint is that video acceleration is being disabled, perhaps intentionally, resulting in loss of battery life. That is a bad thing for users, regardless of this whataboutism nonsense. If there was some reason the empty tag was added, Google PR is free to let us know. The fact that they did not is quite telling. How can you support something blatantly bad as this unless you work for that company? Oh wait... And Chrome is full of dirty tricks of it's own. For example they paid Gigabyte to add Google Chrome to show up as an 'update' to system software. http://puu.sh/CjVYU/804038501f.jpg http://puu.sh/CjVYU/804038501f.jpg So lets stop this, which company is worse thing and work towards fixing bugs and making users happier.

justin66 8y ago
> How can you support something blatantly bad as this unless you work for that company? I tend to agree with the point made in a different part of the thread that arguing against people based on the company they work for is not productive. People are more than just cogs in a machine and have a right to be regarded as such, even if it's just for the sake of argument. The correct question for DannyBee might be How can you support something blatantly bad as this even if you work for that company? I'm sure there are plenty of Googlers who would have a problem with deliberately adding a misfeature to a site to slow down a competitor's browser, plenty would fix a bug like that if it were reported and it was really just a bug, etc. Those guys aren't all in leadership positions...