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Sure, no one is fully equipped to handle the moment of their death, but that's not what is being talked about here. Training should equip officers for the not-

by aqme28 8y ago

Sure, no one is fully equipped to handle the moment of their death, but that's not what is being talked about here. Training should equip officers for the not-uncommon case when a suspect has a knife but is otherwise nonthreatening.

vorpalhex 8y ago
> when a suspect has a knife but is otherwise nonthreatening A knife is a deadly weapon. Even a non-deadly strike from a knife means a loss of organs (lung puncture, liver intrusion), limbs, facial tissue, eyes, etc. If someone is threatening with a knife (attacking cop cars, etc), especially if they are not acting entirely sanely, they are an active life-or-death threat and yes, you might absolutely be walking into the moments before your death. Even if you have a gun, you have at best a few heartbeats to make a judgement call if they decide to lunge for you. Especially if your firearm is in it's holster, in the time it takes for an attacker to lunge at you, you need to: 1. Establish a positive grip on the firearm 2. Defeat any safety measures on the holster (snaps, buttons, interlocks) 3. Clear the holster with a duty sized firearm 4. Draw firearm to combat position 5. Secure off hand grip to firearm 6. Obtain sight picture 7. Check target and backstop 8. Squeeze trigger The person who intends to kill you meanwhile needs to do the following: 1. Lunge forward with knife angled outwards If it's available in your area, I recommend taking a use-of-force seminar and seeing how well you do with the above kind of scenario.
- jki275 8y ago
  21 foot rule.
- aqme28 8y ago
  None of that is relevant here. This was a man _walking away_ with his back turned. That's what I meant by nonthreatening.
  - vorpalhex 8y ago
    If someone threatens your life with a deadly weapon, the fact that they've turned their back for a moment and headed towards other people (innocent people, your comrades, etc) doesn't make them not a threat anymore. As a police officer, you have an obligation to keep the public safe, and that includes from knife wielding nutcases. Yes, it'd be great if cops could bear hug everyone into submission, but that's not the reality of the situation.
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by aqme28 8y ago

vorpalhex 8y ago

> when a suspect has a knife but is otherwise nonthreatening A knife is a deadly weapon. Even a non-deadly strike from a knife means a loss of organs (lung puncture, liver intrusion), limbs, facial tissue, eyes, etc. If someone is threatening with a knife (attacking cop cars, etc), especially if they are not acting entirely sanely, they are an active life-or-death threat and yes, you might absolutely be walking into the moments before your death. Even if you have a gun, you have at best a few heartbeats to make a judgement call if they decide to lunge for you. Especially if your firearm is in it's holster, in the time it takes for an attacker to lunge at you, you need to: 1. Establish a positive grip on the firearm 2. Defeat any safety measures on the holster (snaps, buttons, interlocks) 3. Clear the holster with a duty sized firearm 4. Draw firearm to combat position 5. Secure off hand grip to firearm 6. Obtain sight picture 7. Check target and backstop 8. Squeeze trigger The person who intends to kill you meanwhile needs to do the following: 1. Lunge forward with knife angled outwards If it's available in your area, I recommend taking a use-of-force seminar and seeing how well you do with the above kind of scenario.

jki275 8y ago
21 foot rule.
aqme28 8y ago
None of that is relevant here. This was a man _walking away_ with his back turned. That's what I meant by nonthreatening.
- vorpalhex 8y ago
  If someone threatens your life with a deadly weapon, the fact that they've turned their back for a moment and headed towards other people (innocent people, your comrades, etc) doesn't make them not a threat anymore. As a police officer, you have an obligation to keep the public safe, and that includes from knife wielding nutcases. Yes, it'd be great if cops could bear hug everyone into submission, but that's not the reality of the situation.
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