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California transit agencies have 21 years to build zero-emissions bus fleets

22 points by LinuxBender 8y ago

dfilppi 8y ago
Stupid is as stupid does
toomuchtodo 8y ago
Disappointing considering it would take less than 3 months of electric bus production to replace all ~14k busses. “The numbers are staggering. China had about 99 percent of the 385,000 electric buses on the roads worldwide in 2017, accounting for 17 percent of the country’s entire fleet. Every five weeks, Chinese cities add 9,500 of the zero-emissions transporters—the equivalent of London’s entire working fleet, according Bloomberg New Energy Finance.” https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-23/electric-buses-are-hurting-the-oil-industry https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-23/electric-... https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/04/china-is-adding-a-london-sized-electric-bus-fleet-every-five-weeks/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/04/china-is-adding-a-lon...
- LinuxBender 8y ago
  My theory would be that this may be a result of imperialistic communism. China: "Update your bus fleet, or else". "Done." US: "Update your bus fleet." ...paperwork, bureaucracy, law suits, paperwork, ... 5 years later, rinse, repeat, extend deadline. file suit to get budget to extend deadline. 5 years later, rinse, repeat. fight labor unions, law suits, etc.. I'm sure that is even a bit simplified.
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- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  Addendum: > Electric Buses Will Take Over Half the World Fleet by 2025 > The number of electric buses will triple within seven years, and virtually all of them will be in China. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-01/electric-buses-will-take-over-half-the-world-by-2025 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-01/electric-... TL;DR Unless you're moving faster than China, you're not putting much effort into moving to electrified transportation. The entire world will be on electric busses in the next ~14 years.
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woodandsteel 8y ago
Due to falling battery prices, in another 5 years or so electric buses will cost about the same as diesel ones. Given that they have much lower operating costs, it is expected that all the transport companies will on their own switch their purchasing electric buses. Still, it is nice to have the California government publically set this out as a goal. The big problem for the US is it is looking like most of those buses will be built by Chinese companies, and the Trump administration seems to be doing little to promote EV bus manufacturing in this country.

22 points by LinuxBender 8y ago

Stupid is as stupid does

Disappointing considering it would take less than 3 months of electric bus production to replace all ~14k busses. “The numbers are staggering. China had about 99 percent of the 385,000 electric buses on the roads worldwide in 2017, accounting for 17 percent of the country’s entire fleet. Every five weeks, Chinese cities add 9,500 of the zero-emissions transporters—the equivalent of London’s entire working fleet, according Bloomberg New Energy Finance.” https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-23/electric-buses-are-hurting-the-oil-industry https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-23/electric-... https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/04/china-is-adding-a-london-sized-electric-bus-fleet-every-five-weeks/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/04/china-is-adding-a-lon...

LinuxBender 8y ago
My theory would be that this may be a result of imperialistic communism. China: "Update your bus fleet, or else". "Done." US: "Update your bus fleet." ...paperwork, bureaucracy, law suits, paperwork, ... 5 years later, rinse, repeat, extend deadline. file suit to get budget to extend deadline. 5 years later, rinse, repeat. fight labor unions, law suits, etc.. I'm sure that is even a bit simplified.
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toomuchtodo 8y ago
Addendum: > Electric Buses Will Take Over Half the World Fleet by 2025 > The number of electric buses will triple within seven years, and virtually all of them will be in China. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-01/electric-buses-will-take-over-half-the-world-by-2025 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-01/electric-... TL;DR Unless you're moving faster than China, you're not putting much effort into moving to electrified transportation. The entire world will be on electric busses in the next ~14 years.

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woodandsteel 8y ago

Due to falling battery prices, in another 5 years or so electric buses will cost about the same as diesel ones. Given that they have much lower operating costs, it is expected that all the transport companies will on their own switch their purchasing electric buses. Still, it is nice to have the California government publically set this out as a goal. The big problem for the US is it is looking like most of those buses will be built by Chinese companies, and the Trump administration seems to be doing little to promote EV bus manufacturing in this country.