> with relatively dense traffic all going 10-20mph above the speed limit; in these conditions, it is objectively MORE dangerous to attempt to go the speed limit

> with relatively dense traffic all going 10-20mph above the speed limit; in these conditions, it is objectively MORE dangerous to attempt to go the speed limit The fix is simple: just make everyone observe speed limit with a bunch of speed cameras. In the meantime, fill the state coffers with fines. If people think the speed limit is too low, put pressure on politicians, make them run studies proving that it's safe to go 10-20mph more on that stretch and rise the speed limit if it is. > it is NOT any numerical speed that causes issues It absolutely is and you're just rationalizing. Kinetic energy rises quadratically with speed, and so does the risk of death and stopping distance. > A safe fast driver is better than an unsafe slow driver any day. That's a strowman. The point isn't that just you must go slower, it's that everyone must go slower and observe the actual speed limit. Speed limits aren't imposed just because, they are supposed to take into account tons of data that an average motorist can't possibly have in their mind. If people disregard and ignore them as "too low" instead of observing and fixing when needed, it just slowly corrodes civil society.