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What I find super interesting is that some people in the USA seem to think that evidence that the US has attacked the elections of the USSR and Russia in the pa
by lsc 8y ago
What I find super interesting is that some people in the USA seem to think that evidence that the US has attacked the elections of the USSR and Russia in the past means that we somehow shouldn't fight when the reverse happens. I mean, if you accept that we got Yeltsin elected, well, in a real way, we dissolved the USSR, making Russia dramatically less powerful. (And yes, I agree that's dramatically more severe than anything Trump has done so far.)
I am not going to vote for any politician who thinks allowing the same sort of thing to happen to the USA is in any way okay.
(I mean, from a completely neutral sense, I get what they are saying... but I'm not completely neutral; I don't think any of us are. Leaving aside that I think you can make a reasonable argument that the USSR was, even for those who lived there, a bad thing, (though I'm obviously biased on that point.) I do think it's reasonable to expect your political leaders to take steps to prevent your country from being taken over by a foreign power.)
Edit: neutrality and clarity
- scottlocklin 8y agoYou have an interesting parser. How do you feel about the interference of Israel, Saudi Arabia and China in US elections? Because they've certainly subverted US democracy a lot more than the integral of all Russian/Soviet interference with US elections over all time (China being a very junior partner, but still pretty obviously doing so in ways the Russians don't). Shucks, any one of them interfered more in the last election more than the Russians ever have.
- lsc 8y agoOn this, we disagree about the evidence. It appears that there is a federal investigator on the case, so I suggest we watch what comes of that.
- scottlocklin 8y agoWell, the countries I mention above do seem to have subverted elections in a rather more threatening way; unlike those sinister Russians, they seem to have left rather more evidence, and have subverted democracy so effectively there will never be a federal investigator on the case.