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> If we didn’t have a perverse glorification of education in this country Is this true? I suspect large swathes of this country detest education. Nobody seem

> If we didn’t have a perverse glorification of education in this country Is this true? I suspect large swathes of this country detest education. Nobody seems to be voting for better funding of schools - hell look at Oklahoma where school is only open 4 days a week. And that's an entire state! https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/with-state-budget-in-crisis-many-oklahoma-schools-hold-classes-four-days-a-week/2017/05/27/24f73288-3cb8-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.2fbf46a9e73f https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/with-state-bu... While there are certainly people that champion education in this country, there are many that condemn it.

rayiner 8y ago
We outspend almost everyone else on education: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-glob... Our post-secondary education spending (college and above) is the highest in the world, and 80% higher than the OECD average. Oklahoma spends about $8,000 per student per year on K-12 education. If it were a country, it would fall between Italy and Spain on that statistic.
- lovich 8y ago
  The expenditure is there but if you look into the spending you'll find corruption and adminstrative pay is bleeding the system dry. You have school systems where the adminstrative staff keeps getting pay raises while taxe income and teacher pay doesn't grow. You also have school systems like mine where they blew the budget on building a new school that the contractor built fraudently(stuff like the radiators in classrooms being just covers with no actual radiator underneath). It just so happens that the contractor who built the school is friends/family with members of the school board so I guess it's no paper for homework that year and the contractor doesn't get sued. We let far too much of our school system just be raided by private interests which is how you see us spend more money than similar countries, while barely able to run some schools
  - rayiner 8y ago
    As the article I linked to points out, teacher pay in the U.S. is substantially above the OECD average. > We let far too much of our school system just be raided by private interests Right. "Private interests" are to blame, even though school systems are run by public employees top to bottom (from the principal to the janitor). Education in Sweden and Denmark must be a real disaster, given that in those countries school-choice programs allow parents to use voucher dollars on private schools: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Sweden ; http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EDUCATION/Resources/278200-1099079877269/547664-1099079934475/547667-1135281523948/denmark.pdf http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EDUCATION/Resources/27820....
    - lovich 8y ago
      When a public employee like a superintendent, oks a contract for their family to bilk the school system, I think we could safely call that a private interest even though the superintendent is pulling a public salary. Edit: your first link has an extra semicolon at the end I think. I will read these articles but it will take some time

rayiner 8y ago

We outspend almost everyone else on education: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-glob... Our post-secondary education spending (college and above) is the highest in the world, and 80% higher than the OECD average. Oklahoma spends about $8,000 per student per year on K-12 education. If it were a country, it would fall between Italy and Spain on that statistic.

lovich 8y ago
The expenditure is there but if you look into the spending you'll find corruption and adminstrative pay is bleeding the system dry. You have school systems where the adminstrative staff keeps getting pay raises while taxe income and teacher pay doesn't grow. You also have school systems like mine where they blew the budget on building a new school that the contractor built fraudently(stuff like the radiators in classrooms being just covers with no actual radiator underneath). It just so happens that the contractor who built the school is friends/family with members of the school board so I guess it's no paper for homework that year and the contractor doesn't get sued. We let far too much of our school system just be raided by private interests which is how you see us spend more money than similar countries, while barely able to run some schools
- rayiner 8y ago
  As the article I linked to points out, teacher pay in the U.S. is substantially above the OECD average. > We let far too much of our school system just be raided by private interests Right. "Private interests" are to blame, even though school systems are run by public employees top to bottom (from the principal to the janitor). Education in Sweden and Denmark must be a real disaster, given that in those countries school-choice programs allow parents to use voucher dollars on private schools: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Sweden ; http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EDUCATION/Resources/278200-1099079877269/547664-1099079934475/547667-1135281523948/denmark.pdf http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EDUCATION/Resources/27820....
  - lovich 8y ago
    When a public employee like a superintendent, oks a contract for their family to bilk the school system, I think we could safely call that a private interest even though the superintendent is pulling a public salary. Edit: your first link has an extra semicolon at the end I think. I will read these articles but it will take some time