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The german entry for Büsingen is MUCH more detailed https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Büsingen_am_Hochrhein https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Büsingen_am_Hochrhein

The german entry for Büsingen is MUCH more detailed https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Büsingen_am_Hochrhein https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Büsingen_am_Hochrhein This really frustrates me about Wikipedia because its like a totally parallel site and experience thats just right there and can even have conflicting information. Not helping the world as much as we think, but its so close to being able to.

Forge36 8y ago
Do you speak German? Would you mind translating parts? I can give it a go, however my German skills aren't great.
- denzil_correa 8y ago
  There seems to be an English page too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Büsingen_am_Hochrhein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Büsingen_am_Hochrhein
  - gammateam 8y ago
    The point is that the English page is basically not even part of the same encyclopedia. It lacks the level of detail and might as well just be an inferior search result to some other website that you would have skipped A lot of Wikipedia is like this. The entries in different languages are not equivalents of each other.
- tim333 8y ago
  The Google translate is quite readable.
  - trishmapow2 8y ago
    Just a tip for anyone passing by, [Deepl](https://www.deepl.com/translator https://www.deepl.com/translator) is miles ahead of Google Translate in terms of accurate/natural translations.
galago 8y ago
Can't we just all agree to speak English? No, I don't think that would be a good idea. Perhaps they could write a (albeit imperfect) tool to alert readers when another language has a much larger or more comprehensive article. I'm sure the Wikipedians have considered the fact that some information is better presented in a particular language. For example, an article about Shakespeare will be more precise in English than Chinese. However, I think it would be another kind of loss if the Shakespeare article was just in English and we forced people to use automated translators. Some might argue that this applies to all scholarship, not just Wikipedia.
- gammateam 8y ago
  The current issue isnt about being presented better in a different language, its just that these are basically different websites and different crowd sourced encyclopedias I think your notification idea is good It could look at number of sections, clusters of contributor activity, and then weigh that by character length with different weightings for each language
- jaddood 8y ago
  Did you just forget Esperanto?
  - Ma8ee 8y ago
    How so?
- seszett 8y ago
  As far as I remember (I can't check now) articles in foreign Wikipedias that have a "silver" or "gold" status are shown with a star in the list. It might not be obvious to English speaking visitors as I suppose they don't pay much attention to the list, but visitors who speak multiple languages often switch between them to get the most information.
  - baud147258 8y ago
    > As far as I remember (I can't check now) articles in foreign Wikipedias that have a "silver" or "gold" status are shown with a star in the list. That's the case, at least when not on the mobile site; apparently the mobile site instead show the "best" version at the top of the list of versions, but I don't know how it is determined.
incompatible 8y ago
Sometimes the source documents only exist in one language, and speakers of that language are more likely to be interested in the topic.
incompatible 8y ago
I've occasionally wanted to translate some material from another Wikipedia, in a language I can read, into English. But the referencing in that Wikipedia is often quite bad, so I wouldn't be able to reference it properly in the English Wikipedia. Finding and interpreting good sources then starts to look like a major research project.
- azernik 8y ago
  And often (I'm looking at you, Hebrew Wikipedia) - the rules for sourcing aren't the same in the first place.
  - BeeOnRope 8y ago
    Interesting - do you have an example?
FabHK 8y ago
So, one interesting tidbit from the German version: Germany introduced daylight saving time ("Sommerzeit") in 1980, but Switzerland only in 1981. In 1980, Büsingen used CET (like Switzerland), not the daylight saving time (like the rest of Germany). So, while there was only one summer season of deviation from Germany, Büsingen (pop. 1443) is listed separately in some time zone databases, eg the Common Locale Data Repository. As so often, the devil is in the details.

Forge36 8y ago

Do you speak German? Would you mind translating parts? I can give it a go, however my German skills aren't great.

denzil_correa 8y ago
There seems to be an English page too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Büsingen_am_Hochrhein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Büsingen_am_Hochrhein
- gammateam 8y ago
  The point is that the English page is basically not even part of the same encyclopedia. It lacks the level of detail and might as well just be an inferior search result to some other website that you would have skipped A lot of Wikipedia is like this. The entries in different languages are not equivalents of each other.
tim333 8y ago
The Google translate is quite readable.
- trishmapow2 8y ago
  Just a tip for anyone passing by, [Deepl](https://www.deepl.com/translator https://www.deepl.com/translator) is miles ahead of Google Translate in terms of accurate/natural translations.

galago 8y ago

Can't we just all agree to speak English? No, I don't think that would be a good idea. Perhaps they could write a (albeit imperfect) tool to alert readers when another language has a much larger or more comprehensive article. I'm sure the Wikipedians have considered the fact that some information is better presented in a particular language. For example, an article about Shakespeare will be more precise in English than Chinese. However, I think it would be another kind of loss if the Shakespeare article was just in English and we forced people to use automated translators. Some might argue that this applies to all scholarship, not just Wikipedia.

gammateam 8y ago
The current issue isnt about being presented better in a different language, its just that these are basically different websites and different crowd sourced encyclopedias I think your notification idea is good It could look at number of sections, clusters of contributor activity, and then weigh that by character length with different weightings for each language
jaddood 8y ago
Did you just forget Esperanto?
- Ma8ee 8y ago
  How so?
seszett 8y ago
As far as I remember (I can't check now) articles in foreign Wikipedias that have a "silver" or "gold" status are shown with a star in the list. It might not be obvious to English speaking visitors as I suppose they don't pay much attention to the list, but visitors who speak multiple languages often switch between them to get the most information.
- baud147258 8y ago
  > As far as I remember (I can't check now) articles in foreign Wikipedias that have a "silver" or "gold" status are shown with a star in the list. That's the case, at least when not on the mobile site; apparently the mobile site instead show the "best" version at the top of the list of versions, but I don't know how it is determined.

incompatible 8y ago

Sometimes the source documents only exist in one language, and speakers of that language are more likely to be interested in the topic.

incompatible 8y ago

I've occasionally wanted to translate some material from another Wikipedia, in a language I can read, into English. But the referencing in that Wikipedia is often quite bad, so I wouldn't be able to reference it properly in the English Wikipedia. Finding and interpreting good sources then starts to look like a major research project.

azernik 8y ago
And often (I'm looking at you, Hebrew Wikipedia) - the rules for sourcing aren't the same in the first place.
- BeeOnRope 8y ago
  Interesting - do you have an example?

FabHK 8y ago

So, one interesting tidbit from the German version: Germany introduced daylight saving time ("Sommerzeit") in 1980, but Switzerland only in 1981. In 1980, Büsingen used CET (like Switzerland), not the daylight saving time (like the rest of Germany). So, while there was only one summer season of deviation from Germany, Büsingen (pop. 1443) is listed separately in some time zone databases, eg the Common Locale Data Repository. As so often, the devil is in the details.