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On Netflix most of their own series are low production value crap. I don't even bother checking them anymore even if the subject sounds interesting, unless I he

by 21 8y ago

On Netflix most of their own series are low production value crap. I don't even bother checking them anymore even if the subject sounds interesting, unless I hear about them in the media first. This can't be good for them in the long run if the Netflix name becomes associated with filler content.

ryanwaggoner 8y ago
As opposed to broadcast and cable? For me, the average Netflix show is easily better than the average show from every network except HBO.
- 21 8y ago
  > As opposed to broadcast and cable? Which is why nobody bothers checking out broadcast/cable shows anymore. They have become synonyms with crap. Netflix is playing a dangerous game here by letting content quality slip. And I don't think it's about the money, they obviously have it and are willing to spend it, but there is only so much acting/producing talent out there.
  - ryanwaggoner 8y ago
    What? Tens of millions of people watch broadcast and cable shows. The average household still watches almost eight hours per day of TV, and I don’t think that includes Netflix, Amazon, YouTube, etc: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/05/when-did-tv-watching-peak/561464/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/05/when-...
  - cortesoft 8y ago
    So you are basically saying everything is crap?
    - justin_oaks 8y ago
      I'd say 90%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law
    - jessaustin 8y ago
      That's why no one watches TV!
    - friedman23 8y ago
      Are you saying that almost everything isn't crap?
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  - zuminator 8y ago
    You said it yourself. They're not letting quality slip. There is just a paucity of quality period. But like a shark Netflix has to keep moving or die. They can't afford to wait for the best stuff. Also it turns out that Adam Sandler movies are really popular. So maybe their slip isn't as dangerous as you might think.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > Which is why nobody bothers checking out broadcast/cable shows anymore. Nobody in your circle of friends, perhaps.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Which is why nobody bothers checking out broadcast/cable shows anymore. They have become synonyms with crap. The infamous “I haven’t watched TV in 10 years. Do people still watch TV” thinking. 74% of households still subscribe to cable. https://www.forbes.com/sites/nelsongranados/2018/03/30/2017-report-a-quarter-of-u-s-households-only-stream-video-or-use-digital-antenna/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/nelsongranados/2018/03/30/2017-...
    - bluejekyll 8y ago
      From the same article: “OTT-only households tripled in the past four years (about 40% annually), and I can think of no reason why this trend would slow down”, where OTT means over-the-top streaming services like Netflix. It’s clear that people enjoy that experience more than cable, which isn’t surprising given it's on-demand nature. Cable is on its way down, and quickly, where people have the choice.
      - scarface74 8y ago
        I don’t deny that. But to say that people don’t currently watch cable when three in four households do still have cable is false. My older son went a year without cable or home internet. He used his phone for tethering and his PS4 to watch video on TV. Of course he used our family Netflix plan, Hulu, and played video off of my Plex server. I doubt my younger son will ever have traditional cable. We haven’t even bothered with giving him our DirecTVNow login or getting a third stream for him to watch. He is also coming up in a house with unlimited gigabit Ethernet, every room wired for gigabit Ethernet and Roku TVs, AppleTV boxes, and Roku sticks all over the house....
chaosbutters314 8y ago
Big mouth, orange is the new black, black mirror, house of cards, narcos....? I think they are doing a pretty decent job
- gammateam 8y ago
  House of cards: filler by season 3 and the last season turning into an incoherent mess to deal with the accepted but voluntary PR response of axing the main character, out of all possible responses. Orange is the new black: loses all forms of ‘conflict’ as a literary device by season 3 And these are the flagship titles! Low bar Edit: since downvotes pause my ability to post for hours so I cant even respond, the only point is that this is what a Netflix fan can expect to experience from any show they get into. The “good” shows have the above experience, no matter what the rationale or external pressure was, and then there is everything else which is even worse.
  - CydeWeys 8y ago
    Firing a serial sexual harasser of his own coworkers is more of an HR thing than it is a PR thing. You simply cannot keep someone like that employed; it's way too much of a legal liability. Also, many people would refuse to work with someone like that entirely, out of principle. Maybe they should have canceled the series entirely instead of continuing on without him, but keeping him employed on the show was never an option.
    - tracer4201 8y ago
      As someone who worked at one of the large networks, I disagree with you when you state that it was more of an HR than PR thing. I can assure you the types of behavior that these male actors were accused of were no secrets, neither at my company nor in the industry. Nobody did anything about it, and it wasn’t until it blew up into a fire storm thanks to social media that these companies decided the best response from a business sense was to suddenly pretend we are on a moral high ground and sever these relationships. It was fear and about saving image. Otherwise, the response would have been to deny and secretly pay off accusers while maintaining relationships with the Kevin Spaceys of the world.
sigi45 8y ago
Not everything can be that good, unfortunate. There have never been too many Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad or StarTrek Voyager. But Netflix has still lots of other shows to over. They just have all Star Trek series. They buyout really good shows (Like Black Mirror) and there catalog is only growing. That for only 10,- Euros. Spotify costs me the same! I bought DVDs and rented VHSrs before. I don't mind paying it to Netflix and other Streaming services instead. I do believe that the quality and availability got higher and the prices are cheaper than ever. And btw. for a german person, it is the first time ever that i can watch it all in the OV. Even when you had something similiar to a usa cable subscription, you could not switch the language. Now its a nobrainer. Glories Times :-)
- WalterBright 8y ago
  There was a ton of "made for TV" content in the 70's and 80's, for example, TV movies. It has all vanished. It's not even on imdb.com. I wonder why nobody is streaming it. On the other hand, I've noticed that record companies are reaching further and further into their back catalogs, even going back into the 1950s, and re-releasing on CDs long unavailable stuff. (I notice this because I often buy thrift store records, wondering what is on them. There are some really nice forgotten gems.)
  - mosj3 8y ago
    I tried watching the first season of Star Trek TNG recently and couldn't get through two episodes. Things get dated I guess.
    - WalterBright 8y ago
      I don't think good music ever gets old. I like the old TOS with its campiness, but even when TNG was new I found it unwatchable. In general, though, TV shows don't age well. Even Mission Impossible from the 60's, well regarded at the time, looks silly today.
    - wozer 8y ago
      The later seasons are still very watchable, in my opinion.
friedman23 8y ago
I agree with you, outside of a few productions the vast majority of netflix content isn't good. Black Mirror, Stranger Things, the new movie the Ballad of Buster Scruggs... I can't think of anything else I like from them. Amazon has the same problem, both Amazon and Netflix seem to pump out tv shows without putting that much work into them going for quantity over quality. First Amazon show I actually enjoyed was the Jack Ryan tv show. Sneaky Pete was good for the first few episodes but it just seems to fizzle out. In contrast, almost everything on HBO is good. I rewatched Band of Brothers for I think the 3rd time the other week and I enjoyed it just as much as I had the first time I had seen it.
- vonseel 8y ago
  Watch The OA. Refer to my comment history for other titles you might like.
  - friedman23 8y ago
    of - Narcos - The OA - The Haunting of Hill House - Marvel series. All of them! - GLOW - Ozark - Altered Carbon - American Vandal - 13 Reasons Why I've seen all of Altered Carbon, some of Ozark, some of Narcos, and 2 seasons of Marvel (Daredevil season 1 and 2). None of them were particularly amazing.
    - vonseel 8y ago
      Yeah, it's certainly not Game of Thrones quality stuff. But that's not what I'm looking for usually. I feel like certain outlets (HBO/Showtime, network television, streaming original content) have specific characteristics to their shows, in more than one way... really hard to put this into words. HBO shows, for example, are usually really well-written, great acting and strong cast, and strong visual design that sets their shows apart from other networks. The critics love them and they become hits, for good reason. Network shows, on the other hand, might not be innovating anywhere on the cinematography side and have a typical, cookiecutter look & feel, but still receive high ratings because they cater to a very mainstream audience. Sort of like your average, cookiecutter rock band that has millions of listeners, but the most picky listeners aren't going to like that band because they sound so "cliche". TV seems to have a similar thing going to for it, a "class system" of sorts. I'm really bad at putting this into words; I don't work in the industry or read TV blogs or anything like that. Netflix has so many shows I'm sure they are all over the map here, though, so not really sure why I'm saying this. I guess my point is, some people aren't looking for 5-star GOT/Westworld level quality in their TV watching. If you only have 1 hour per week to watch TV, sure, make it something good. If you watch more TV than that, though, the bar becomes substantially lower.

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ryanwaggoner 8y ago

As opposed to broadcast and cable? For me, the average Netflix show is easily better than the average show from every network except HBO.

21 8y ago
> As opposed to broadcast and cable? Which is why nobody bothers checking out broadcast/cable shows anymore. They have become synonyms with crap. Netflix is playing a dangerous game here by letting content quality slip. And I don't think it's about the money, they obviously have it and are willing to spend it, but there is only so much acting/producing talent out there.
- ryanwaggoner 8y ago
  What? Tens of millions of people watch broadcast and cable shows. The average household still watches almost eight hours per day of TV, and I don’t think that includes Netflix, Amazon, YouTube, etc: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/05/when-did-tv-watching-peak/561464/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/05/when-...
- cortesoft 8y ago
  So you are basically saying everything is crap?
  - justin_oaks 8y ago
    I'd say 90%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law
  - jessaustin 8y ago
    That's why no one watches TV!
  - friedman23 8y ago
    Are you saying that almost everything isn't crap?
- deleted 8y ago
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- zuminator 8y ago
  You said it yourself. They're not letting quality slip. There is just a paucity of quality period. But like a shark Netflix has to keep moving or die. They can't afford to wait for the best stuff. Also it turns out that Adam Sandler movies are really popular. So maybe their slip isn't as dangerous as you might think.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > Which is why nobody bothers checking out broadcast/cable shows anymore. Nobody in your circle of friends, perhaps.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Which is why nobody bothers checking out broadcast/cable shows anymore. They have become synonyms with crap. The infamous “I haven’t watched TV in 10 years. Do people still watch TV” thinking. 74% of households still subscribe to cable. https://www.forbes.com/sites/nelsongranados/2018/03/30/2017-report-a-quarter-of-u-s-households-only-stream-video-or-use-digital-antenna/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/nelsongranados/2018/03/30/2017-...
  - bluejekyll 8y ago
    From the same article: “OTT-only households tripled in the past four years (about 40% annually), and I can think of no reason why this trend would slow down”, where OTT means over-the-top streaming services like Netflix. It’s clear that people enjoy that experience more than cable, which isn’t surprising given it's on-demand nature. Cable is on its way down, and quickly, where people have the choice.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      I don’t deny that. But to say that people don’t currently watch cable when three in four households do still have cable is false. My older son went a year without cable or home internet. He used his phone for tethering and his PS4 to watch video on TV. Of course he used our family Netflix plan, Hulu, and played video off of my Plex server. I doubt my younger son will ever have traditional cable. We haven’t even bothered with giving him our DirecTVNow login or getting a third stream for him to watch. He is also coming up in a house with unlimited gigabit Ethernet, every room wired for gigabit Ethernet and Roku TVs, AppleTV boxes, and Roku sticks all over the house....

chaosbutters314 8y ago

Big mouth, orange is the new black, black mirror, house of cards, narcos....? I think they are doing a pretty decent job

gammateam 8y ago
House of cards: filler by season 3 and the last season turning into an incoherent mess to deal with the accepted but voluntary PR response of axing the main character, out of all possible responses. Orange is the new black: loses all forms of ‘conflict’ as a literary device by season 3 And these are the flagship titles! Low bar Edit: since downvotes pause my ability to post for hours so I cant even respond, the only point is that this is what a Netflix fan can expect to experience from any show they get into. The “good” shows have the above experience, no matter what the rationale or external pressure was, and then there is everything else which is even worse.
- CydeWeys 8y ago
  Firing a serial sexual harasser of his own coworkers is more of an HR thing than it is a PR thing. You simply cannot keep someone like that employed; it's way too much of a legal liability. Also, many people would refuse to work with someone like that entirely, out of principle. Maybe they should have canceled the series entirely instead of continuing on without him, but keeping him employed on the show was never an option.
  - tracer4201 8y ago
    As someone who worked at one of the large networks, I disagree with you when you state that it was more of an HR than PR thing. I can assure you the types of behavior that these male actors were accused of were no secrets, neither at my company nor in the industry. Nobody did anything about it, and it wasn’t until it blew up into a fire storm thanks to social media that these companies decided the best response from a business sense was to suddenly pretend we are on a moral high ground and sever these relationships. It was fear and about saving image. Otherwise, the response would have been to deny and secretly pay off accusers while maintaining relationships with the Kevin Spaceys of the world.

sigi45 8y ago

Not everything can be that good, unfortunate. There have never been too many Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad or StarTrek Voyager. But Netflix has still lots of other shows to over. They just have all Star Trek series. They buyout really good shows (Like Black Mirror) and there catalog is only growing. That for only 10,- Euros. Spotify costs me the same! I bought DVDs and rented VHSrs before. I don't mind paying it to Netflix and other Streaming services instead. I do believe that the quality and availability got higher and the prices are cheaper than ever. And btw. for a german person, it is the first time ever that i can watch it all in the OV. Even when you had something similiar to a usa cable subscription, you could not switch the language. Now its a nobrainer. Glories Times :-)

WalterBright 8y ago
There was a ton of "made for TV" content in the 70's and 80's, for example, TV movies. It has all vanished. It's not even on imdb.com. I wonder why nobody is streaming it. On the other hand, I've noticed that record companies are reaching further and further into their back catalogs, even going back into the 1950s, and re-releasing on CDs long unavailable stuff. (I notice this because I often buy thrift store records, wondering what is on them. There are some really nice forgotten gems.)
- mosj3 8y ago
  I tried watching the first season of Star Trek TNG recently and couldn't get through two episodes. Things get dated I guess.
  - WalterBright 8y ago
    I don't think good music ever gets old. I like the old TOS with its campiness, but even when TNG was new I found it unwatchable. In general, though, TV shows don't age well. Even Mission Impossible from the 60's, well regarded at the time, looks silly today.
  - wozer 8y ago
    The later seasons are still very watchable, in my opinion.

friedman23 8y ago

I agree with you, outside of a few productions the vast majority of netflix content isn't good. Black Mirror, Stranger Things, the new movie the Ballad of Buster Scruggs... I can't think of anything else I like from them. Amazon has the same problem, both Amazon and Netflix seem to pump out tv shows without putting that much work into them going for quantity over quality. First Amazon show I actually enjoyed was the Jack Ryan tv show. Sneaky Pete was good for the first few episodes but it just seems to fizzle out. In contrast, almost everything on HBO is good. I rewatched Band of Brothers for I think the 3rd time the other week and I enjoyed it just as much as I had the first time I had seen it.

vonseel 8y ago
Watch The OA. Refer to my comment history for other titles you might like.
- friedman23 8y ago
  of - Narcos - The OA - The Haunting of Hill House - Marvel series. All of them! - GLOW - Ozark - Altered Carbon - American Vandal - 13 Reasons Why I've seen all of Altered Carbon, some of Ozark, some of Narcos, and 2 seasons of Marvel (Daredevil season 1 and 2). None of them were particularly amazing.
  - vonseel 8y ago
    Yeah, it's certainly not Game of Thrones quality stuff. But that's not what I'm looking for usually. I feel like certain outlets (HBO/Showtime, network television, streaming original content) have specific characteristics to their shows, in more than one way... really hard to put this into words. HBO shows, for example, are usually really well-written, great acting and strong cast, and strong visual design that sets their shows apart from other networks. The critics love them and they become hits, for good reason. Network shows, on the other hand, might not be innovating anywhere on the cinematography side and have a typical, cookiecutter look & feel, but still receive high ratings because they cater to a very mainstream audience. Sort of like your average, cookiecutter rock band that has millions of listeners, but the most picky listeners aren't going to like that band because they sound so "cliche". TV seems to have a similar thing going to for it, a "class system" of sorts. I'm really bad at putting this into words; I don't work in the industry or read TV blogs or anything like that. Netflix has so many shows I'm sure they are all over the map here, though, so not really sure why I'm saying this. I guess my point is, some people aren't looking for 5-star GOT/Westworld level quality in their TV watching. If you only have 1 hour per week to watch TV, sure, make it something good. If you watch more TV than that, though, the bar becomes substantially lower.