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Tim Cook loves the narrative that it's impossible to bring manufacturing culture back to the US. There was an article a while back about how lazy people were on

Tim Cook loves the narrative that it's impossible to bring manufacturing culture back to the US. There was an article a while back about how lazy people were on the Mac Pro line. How is Tesla able to succeed? Something doesn't add up.

baybal2 8y ago
Tesla makes a super duper expensive car with arguable manufacturability and a lot of non standard parts. That works for a $100k a piece car, not $30k, let alone $10k. You probably read comments that were Tesla be made by an established player, it would've been made for half the cost? Tesla's success slash failure is thanks to that absence of the established manufacturing culture in light industries. USA is still is a big manufacturing country, it's curse is that their industry manufacturers "invisible goods," and that its companies are low profile. For examples, almost all "picoprobes" in the world are made by one small company in USA that you can't even google. On the other hand, even a third tier smartphone maker in China has high media profile, and every highschooler will be able to name a few.
- NicoJuicy 8y ago
  Wait, the iPhone is cheap? I had the first version ( well 3g actually) and never bothered since, because I thought it would only get more expensive
  - baybal2 8y ago
    Apple doesn't wants its good to be cheap to make, they want them to be borderline free. Have you read that for every iPhone, Chinese economy only gains single digits of value? Electronics is one of the most automated industries on the planet already. You can run in anywhere you want where you can put an SMT line. There are electronics factories even in African countries. What matters is being able to run in cheaper and better than the next competitor, and you can't do it with three quarters of the global electronics manufacturing ecosystem sitting in a single city - Shenzhen. IF Apple will agree to sell their products at less than triple digits markup, than they will be free to make iPhone in America.
    - NicoJuicy 8y ago
      You said, Tesla makes a super duper expensive car. Apple is also making an expensive phone. You are ignoring your own argument by explaining that every car manufacturers wants to produce as cheap as possible, which is also the same reason why Tesla wants to automate everything. The original comment/question was: how can Tesla do it and not Apple. Ps. The price of a Tesla is actually okay. It's not 100k and it's avg market priced. iPhone was never avg market priced
- douglaswlance 8y ago
  Tesla Model 3's start at $35k.
  - baybal2 8y ago
    Have you heard about them taking loss at every model 3 sale?
    - vuln 8y ago
      The US government subsidises purchases of electric cars with tax credits of up to $7,500, which apply to all of Tesla’s cars.
CharlesW 8y ago
> Tim Cook loves the narrative that it's impossible to bring manufacturing culture back to the US. Citation on "impossible"? Under Tim, Apple has invested $100 million in US manufacturing. The Mac Pro has been manufactured in Austin since 2013.
- reasonablemann 8y ago
  Firstly, he's alluded to lack of manufacturing skill many times. After all, imagine how difficult it would be to teach American's skills. This argument holds no water in my opinion. Just say it's because of profit margins. Anything else is absurd. Secondly, a $100 million investment in manufacturing is not a small number. Unless you are Apple. Let's assume a wildly low profit margin on the average iPhone of $250. Apple would have to sell 400,000 iPhones to cover that investment with pure profit. In 2017, Apple sold 216,760,000 iPhones.

baybal2 8y ago

Tesla makes a super duper expensive car with arguable manufacturability and a lot of non standard parts. That works for a $100k a piece car, not $30k, let alone $10k. You probably read comments that were Tesla be made by an established player, it would've been made for half the cost? Tesla's success slash failure is thanks to that absence of the established manufacturing culture in light industries. USA is still is a big manufacturing country, it's curse is that their industry manufacturers "invisible goods," and that its companies are low profile. For examples, almost all "picoprobes" in the world are made by one small company in USA that you can't even google. On the other hand, even a third tier smartphone maker in China has high media profile, and every highschooler will be able to name a few.

NicoJuicy 8y ago
Wait, the iPhone is cheap? I had the first version ( well 3g actually) and never bothered since, because I thought it would only get more expensive
- baybal2 8y ago
  Apple doesn't wants its good to be cheap to make, they want them to be borderline free. Have you read that for every iPhone, Chinese economy only gains single digits of value? Electronics is one of the most automated industries on the planet already. You can run in anywhere you want where you can put an SMT line. There are electronics factories even in African countries. What matters is being able to run in cheaper and better than the next competitor, and you can't do it with three quarters of the global electronics manufacturing ecosystem sitting in a single city - Shenzhen. IF Apple will agree to sell their products at less than triple digits markup, than they will be free to make iPhone in America.
  - NicoJuicy 8y ago
    You said, Tesla makes a super duper expensive car. Apple is also making an expensive phone. You are ignoring your own argument by explaining that every car manufacturers wants to produce as cheap as possible, which is also the same reason why Tesla wants to automate everything. The original comment/question was: how can Tesla do it and not Apple. Ps. The price of a Tesla is actually okay. It's not 100k and it's avg market priced. iPhone was never avg market priced
douglaswlance 8y ago
Tesla Model 3's start at $35k.
- baybal2 8y ago
  Have you heard about them taking loss at every model 3 sale?
  - vuln 8y ago
    The US government subsidises purchases of electric cars with tax credits of up to $7,500, which apply to all of Tesla’s cars.

CharlesW 8y ago

> Tim Cook loves the narrative that it's impossible to bring manufacturing culture back to the US. Citation on "impossible"? Under Tim, Apple has invested $100 million in US manufacturing. The Mac Pro has been manufactured in Austin since 2013.

reasonablemann 8y ago
Firstly, he's alluded to lack of manufacturing skill many times. After all, imagine how difficult it would be to teach American's skills. This argument holds no water in my opinion. Just say it's because of profit margins. Anything else is absurd. Secondly, a $100 million investment in manufacturing is not a small number. Unless you are Apple. Let's assume a wildly low profit margin on the average iPhone of $250. Apple would have to sell 400,000 iPhones to cover that investment with pure profit. In 2017, Apple sold 216,760,000 iPhones.