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I see Bret Victor more as a historian where he finds old ideas and re-introduces them to people who haven’t seen them before. Presumably in the hope that enough

I see Bret Victor more as a historian where he finds old ideas and re-introduces them to people who haven’t seen them before. Presumably in the hope that enough about the world has changed that this time the ideas will catch on. I work with 40 year old ideas that are so advanced that people think it’s futuristic alien tech when they see it. Unfortunately the ideas will never be popular because of problems with culture and fundamental limitations of the median human comprehension. So I see the achievement here as not one of technology but of creating a culturally isolated and elitist institution.

deepaksurti 8y ago
>> I work with 40 year old ideas that are so advanced that people think it’s futuristic alien tech Lisp is one such idea implemented. Can you please list the other ideas, very interested to know.
- duaoebg 8y ago
  It’s a counter intuitive practical fix to a theoretical solution that is currently considered not to work. Because it’s considered not to work in theory many academics won’t belive it works in practice even after I demonstrate it working. Once it became a money printer I stopped telling people about it. My plan is to save a bunch of money and build an institution around it to push for influence that way.
mpweiher 8y ago
> 40 year old ideas that are so advanced that people think it’s futuristic alien tech Care to elaborate? > median human comprehension So we don't understand it well enough, yet? “I couldn’t do it. I couldn’t reduce it to the freshman level. That means we don’t really understand it.” -- Richard Feynman https://kottke.org/17/06/if-you-cant-explain-something-in-simple-terms-you-dont-understand-it https://kottke.org/17/06/if-you-cant-explain-something-in-si...
- duaoebg 8y ago
  I prefer the adage; as simple as possible but no simpler. Some ideas are not easily communicated because the shared language does not provide the right constructs for it. I.e. incommensurable. In assuming that I’m not the first nor the smartest person to approach a problem, it’s likely that someone else smarter found something useful and wrote it down in terms that I do not understand. So I built a cross domain search engine and used it to find the solutions I was after in other domains of expertise. I was then able to combine several the found solution components into a whole working solution. I used to work in search, so that was something I already knew how to do. I’m sure we could stop inventing new things and coast for a long time by simply digging up old ideas instead of wastefully reinventing them in new domains. But people like new things... so we’re back to the people problem.
  - gfodor 8y ago
    Is there any existing search engine that solves the problem you solved with your bespoke one? This has always struck me as an interesting area -- tying together knowledge from disparate domains.
  - miguelrochefort 8y ago
    I love when people figure out that the same ideas/theories/concepts/models are replicated in different domains/layers. Some that come to mind: - Homotopy Type Theory (HoTT) - Recursive InterNetwork Architecture (RINA)
miguelrochefort 8y ago
> I work with 40 year old ideas that are so advanced that people think it’s futuristic alien tech when they see it. Unless you can show me that a curated collection of such ideas exists somewhere, I won't believe that the only impediment is culture and median human comprehension. I spend a lot of my time looking for such ideas, I found them to be incredibly scarce (unless of course I'm part of the median human comprehension that can't appreciate them).
- carapace 8y ago
  I'm not the OP, and this isn't quite what you're asking for. You'll have to dig through a lot of horseshit and cracked pottery to find them, but there are gems at Rex Research. http://rexresearch.com/1index.htm http://rexresearch.com/1index.htm
rapnie 8y ago
> I see Bret Victor more as a historian where he finds old ideas and re-introduces them to people who haven’t seen them before. Just yesterday I revisited his Future of Programming talk. Splendid! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pTEmbeENF4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pTEmbeENF4

deepaksurti 8y ago

>> I work with 40 year old ideas that are so advanced that people think it’s futuristic alien tech Lisp is one such idea implemented. Can you please list the other ideas, very interested to know.

duaoebg 8y ago
It’s a counter intuitive practical fix to a theoretical solution that is currently considered not to work. Because it’s considered not to work in theory many academics won’t belive it works in practice even after I demonstrate it working. Once it became a money printer I stopped telling people about it. My plan is to save a bunch of money and build an institution around it to push for influence that way.

mpweiher 8y ago

> 40 year old ideas that are so advanced that people think it’s futuristic alien tech Care to elaborate? > median human comprehension So we don't understand it well enough, yet? “I couldn’t do it. I couldn’t reduce it to the freshman level. That means we don’t really understand it.” -- Richard Feynman https://kottke.org/17/06/if-you-cant-explain-something-in-simple-terms-you-dont-understand-it https://kottke.org/17/06/if-you-cant-explain-something-in-si...

duaoebg 8y ago
I prefer the adage; as simple as possible but no simpler. Some ideas are not easily communicated because the shared language does not provide the right constructs for it. I.e. incommensurable. In assuming that I’m not the first nor the smartest person to approach a problem, it’s likely that someone else smarter found something useful and wrote it down in terms that I do not understand. So I built a cross domain search engine and used it to find the solutions I was after in other domains of expertise. I was then able to combine several the found solution components into a whole working solution. I used to work in search, so that was something I already knew how to do. I’m sure we could stop inventing new things and coast for a long time by simply digging up old ideas instead of wastefully reinventing them in new domains. But people like new things... so we’re back to the people problem.
- gfodor 8y ago
  Is there any existing search engine that solves the problem you solved with your bespoke one? This has always struck me as an interesting area -- tying together knowledge from disparate domains.
- miguelrochefort 8y ago
  I love when people figure out that the same ideas/theories/concepts/models are replicated in different domains/layers. Some that come to mind: - Homotopy Type Theory (HoTT) - Recursive InterNetwork Architecture (RINA)

miguelrochefort 8y ago

> I work with 40 year old ideas that are so advanced that people think it’s futuristic alien tech when they see it. Unless you can show me that a curated collection of such ideas exists somewhere, I won't believe that the only impediment is culture and median human comprehension. I spend a lot of my time looking for such ideas, I found them to be incredibly scarce (unless of course I'm part of the median human comprehension that can't appreciate them).

carapace 8y ago
I'm not the OP, and this isn't quite what you're asking for. You'll have to dig through a lot of horseshit and cracked pottery to find them, but there are gems at Rex Research. http://rexresearch.com/1index.htm http://rexresearch.com/1index.htm

rapnie 8y ago

> I see Bret Victor more as a historian where he finds old ideas and re-introduces them to people who haven’t seen them before. Just yesterday I revisited his Future of Programming talk. Splendid! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pTEmbeENF4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pTEmbeENF4