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One of the solutions to the €journal-implosion problem is to publish in both €journal as well as the new, open access version and to make this known in the arti

One of the solutions to the €journal-implosion problem is to publish in both €journal as well as the new, open access version and to make this known in the article. Make this an institutional requirement for publishing in €journal in the first place and require Elsevier/Springer/Wiley/... to include the reference to the free version (no reference means no publication in €journal). The versions published in €journal might be better edited (or it might not, depending on the journal) but the science published is identical. Do this for a few years and the open access version will have built up enough of a corpus and a reputation to become a feasible replacement for €journal. Now you can either drop €journal cold-turkey style or start off by having the established names publish exclusively in the open access version while the up-and-coming still have the choice of publishing in both. Once it becomes known that the most revered names exclusively publish in the open access version it'll be game over for €journal. Once this becomes the norm in enough fields it'll be deemed irresponsible to publish through the likes of Elsevier and the world will be a better place.

Al-Khwarizmi 8y ago
What you say is kind of being done with open-access repositories like arXiv (minus the requirement to include reference to the free version), and it has been a step forward. But publishing the same article in two journals is severely frowned upon in the scientific community. And even if this changed, journal publishers like Elsevier, Springer, etc. require authors to sign a copyright transfer agreement and forbid publication in any other journal. There is no way they are going to relinquish this.
- dmitriz 8y ago
  > publishing the same article in two journals is severely frowned upon Posting copy to arXiv or similar is a norm and not regarded as publishing in another journal. In some areas like theoretical physics people read mostly arXiv. It does help to shift content control away from publishers.
dmitriz 8y ago
> "require Elsevier/Springer/Wiley/... to include the reference to the free version" And they refuse as long as they can. Because they hold the copyrights and universities have no leverage. The only way to break it is to help their faculty make their journals academic owned. Unfortunately, no official help to record that far... https://twitter.com/Dmitri145/status/1074571804113399808 https://twitter.com/Dmitri145/status/1074571804113399808
- MrGunn 8y ago
  Not only does Elsevier have a very permissive preprint policy, but they own a network of preprint servers - SSRN. Just this morning, I've replied to several factually incorrect statements you've made. What can I do to help you get the right information?
  - dmitriz 8y ago
    Quote from https://svpow.com/2016/05/22/elseviers-increasing-control-over-scholarly-infrastructure-and-how-funders-should-fix-this/ https://svpow.com/2016/05/22/elseviers-increasing-control-ov... "it’s simply unrealistic to imagine that Elsevier, in controlling Mendeley and SSRN, will do anything other than what is best for Elsevier."

Al-Khwarizmi 8y ago

What you say is kind of being done with open-access repositories like arXiv (minus the requirement to include reference to the free version), and it has been a step forward. But publishing the same article in two journals is severely frowned upon in the scientific community. And even if this changed, journal publishers like Elsevier, Springer, etc. require authors to sign a copyright transfer agreement and forbid publication in any other journal. There is no way they are going to relinquish this.

dmitriz 8y ago
> publishing the same article in two journals is severely frowned upon Posting copy to arXiv or similar is a norm and not regarded as publishing in another journal. In some areas like theoretical physics people read mostly arXiv. It does help to shift content control away from publishers.

dmitriz 8y ago

> "require Elsevier/Springer/Wiley/... to include the reference to the free version" And they refuse as long as they can. Because they hold the copyrights and universities have no leverage. The only way to break it is to help their faculty make their journals academic owned. Unfortunately, no official help to record that far... https://twitter.com/Dmitri145/status/1074571804113399808 https://twitter.com/Dmitri145/status/1074571804113399808

MrGunn 8y ago
Not only does Elsevier have a very permissive preprint policy, but they own a network of preprint servers - SSRN. Just this morning, I've replied to several factually incorrect statements you've made. What can I do to help you get the right information?
- dmitriz 8y ago
  Quote from https://svpow.com/2016/05/22/elseviers-increasing-control-over-scholarly-infrastructure-and-how-funders-should-fix-this/ https://svpow.com/2016/05/22/elseviers-increasing-control-ov... "it’s simply unrealistic to imagine that Elsevier, in controlling Mendeley and SSRN, will do anything other than what is best for Elsevier."