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Are you saying Linux won't work out-of-the-box on an XPS 15? Because Dell literally sells those pre-loaded with Ubuntu, even saves you $100.

crispinb 8y ago
I don't think there's a developer edition of the 9570 model (there's no linux driver for the fingerprint scanner for example), and in any case we rarely get the Dell developer editions here in Australia. I am certainly saying that a fresh install of Ubuntu (and a reasonable attempt to get over the initial issues eg. using a respin available on github) has too many problems for me to either live with or spend time investigating. Others may have more tolerance for fiddling around with OSs, but I've done my dash with that kind of stuff.
- whyonearth 8y ago
  I think it's a bit contradictory to choose an insecure OS because a more secure one doesn't support a nice-to-have piece of security hardware. That aside, I'd be interested in the specifics of the "too many problems" that you anticipate on supported hardware (which includes most configurations of the XPS and Precision).
  - crispinb 8y ago
    > I think it's a bit contradictory to choose an insecure OS because a more secure one doesn't support a nice-to-have piece of security hardware. Maybe. But that has nothing to do with what I wrote. > I'd be interested in the specifics Would you? Or would you like to gather factoids in pursuit of your belief that everyone must make the choices you make? > that you anticipate on supported hardware Not "anticipate". Experienced, after installation (more than once). It was more trouble than it was worth to me. > on supported hardware As I say, I don't think there's a developer edition of the 9570. There isn't an extant linux driver for the fingerprint scanner, which surely there would be if Dell preinstalled linux on this model.
    - whyonearth 8y ago
      You really fail to see the irony in investing in a strong padlock for a building with thin glass windows? You have defensive replies to everybody here so please don't project your attitude onto those of us who are legitimately curious about what's giving you trouble. Note the name of the website.
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      - crispinb 8y ago
        I don't see obvious evidence of 'curiosity' in your replies - they seem more like someone who roughly throws all statements about linux into assumed "linux rocks" vs "linux sucks" buckets. If I've misinterpreted you, I'm sorry for my part in that. You've clearly misinterpreted what I've written, and to the extent that's due to my lack of clarity, I'm also sorry about that. But in any case I'm a linux admirer - I doubt I've had a work day in the last decade that hasn't involved using linux on servers. As I thought I had made clear, the issues I found with my laptop Ubuntu installations are probably largely fixable with reading & research. There's a fair bit of information about them in (for example) the Gentoo and Arch linux doco sites. But I'm not looking for answers because that's not how I choose to spend my time. There's enough else to deal with in life, and I am no longer an OS hobbyist who does this stuff for fun.
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crispinb 8y ago

I don't think there's a developer edition of the 9570 model (there's no linux driver for the fingerprint scanner for example), and in any case we rarely get the Dell developer editions here in Australia. I am certainly saying that a fresh install of Ubuntu (and a reasonable attempt to get over the initial issues eg. using a respin available on github) has too many problems for me to either live with or spend time investigating. Others may have more tolerance for fiddling around with OSs, but I've done my dash with that kind of stuff.

whyonearth 8y ago
I think it's a bit contradictory to choose an insecure OS because a more secure one doesn't support a nice-to-have piece of security hardware. That aside, I'd be interested in the specifics of the "too many problems" that you anticipate on supported hardware (which includes most configurations of the XPS and Precision).
- crispinb 8y ago
  > I think it's a bit contradictory to choose an insecure OS because a more secure one doesn't support a nice-to-have piece of security hardware. Maybe. But that has nothing to do with what I wrote. > I'd be interested in the specifics Would you? Or would you like to gather factoids in pursuit of your belief that everyone must make the choices you make? > that you anticipate on supported hardware Not "anticipate". Experienced, after installation (more than once). It was more trouble than it was worth to me. > on supported hardware As I say, I don't think there's a developer edition of the 9570. There isn't an extant linux driver for the fingerprint scanner, which surely there would be if Dell preinstalled linux on this model.
  - whyonearth 8y ago
    You really fail to see the irony in investing in a strong padlock for a building with thin glass windows? You have defensive replies to everybody here so please don't project your attitude onto those of us who are legitimately curious about what's giving you trouble. Note the name of the website.
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    - crispinb 8y ago
      I don't see obvious evidence of 'curiosity' in your replies - they seem more like someone who roughly throws all statements about linux into assumed "linux rocks" vs "linux sucks" buckets. If I've misinterpreted you, I'm sorry for my part in that. You've clearly misinterpreted what I've written, and to the extent that's due to my lack of clarity, I'm also sorry about that. But in any case I'm a linux admirer - I doubt I've had a work day in the last decade that hasn't involved using linux on servers. As I thought I had made clear, the issues I found with my laptop Ubuntu installations are probably largely fixable with reading & research. There's a fair bit of information about them in (for example) the Gentoo and Arch linux doco sites. But I'm not looking for answers because that's not how I choose to spend my time. There's enough else to deal with in life, and I am no longer an OS hobbyist who does this stuff for fun.
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