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> but no actual “why” Because in every other aspect but the very kernel (and the UI perhaps) Windows is a disaster. Windows Update especially.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
So how does replacing the kernel help with that?
- qwerty456127 8y ago
  It doesn't. Replacing the kernel doesn't but deprecating the entire OS and switching to GNU/Linux + Wine (which means MS would start contributing to Wine) does. If this happens we can get heavily improved Wine + vendors like Adobe releasing Linux-native versions of their apps.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
    I still don't get it. There's nothing wrong with the kernel, the crap is stuff that they've put on top of the kernel just like it is in Linux. You're giving up the best part of the OS and replacing the worst part with a compatibility layer, why not keep the NT kernel and use a compatibility layer? Since MS has all the code and it wouldn't have to be open source, that'd be much easier.
    - qwerty456127 8y ago
      > just like it is in Linux. Quite the opposite: the only thing that is (hell arguable, of course) wrong with Linux is its kernel architecture.
      - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
        I could not possibly disagree more strongly. Linux's kernel has some problems but it is mostly ok. Userspace is where everything has gone horribly horribly wrong in Linux.
        qwerty456127 8y ago
        E.g. what? As for the kernel I personally dislike the the Linux kernel-driver separation model (I believe these should better be made more separate, like in Windows) but other people (kernel hackers probably) have mentioned the VMS genes in the NT kernel make it in interesting in more ways. But what's wrong with the GNU/Linux userspace? I can't name a single problem with it.
overgard 8y ago
Arguably windows was much more of a disaster 10+ and 20+ years ago in the XP and 95 eras. I have trouble seeing microsoft give up something they've invested 30ish years on without a really obvious reason.
- qwerty456127 8y ago
  At least it didn't spend hours on applying mandatory updates just to stop working completely in the XP and 95 eras. When I was using Windows XP I ran Windows Update once in some months and everything worked perfectly.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago

So how does replacing the kernel help with that?

qwerty456127 8y ago
It doesn't. Replacing the kernel doesn't but deprecating the entire OS and switching to GNU/Linux + Wine (which means MS would start contributing to Wine) does. If this happens we can get heavily improved Wine + vendors like Adobe releasing Linux-native versions of their apps.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
  I still don't get it. There's nothing wrong with the kernel, the crap is stuff that they've put on top of the kernel just like it is in Linux. You're giving up the best part of the OS and replacing the worst part with a compatibility layer, why not keep the NT kernel and use a compatibility layer? Since MS has all the code and it wouldn't have to be open source, that'd be much easier.
  - qwerty456127 8y ago
    > just like it is in Linux. Quite the opposite: the only thing that is (hell arguable, of course) wrong with Linux is its kernel architecture.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
      I could not possibly disagree more strongly. Linux's kernel has some problems but it is mostly ok. Userspace is where everything has gone horribly horribly wrong in Linux.
      - qwerty456127 8y ago
        E.g. what? As for the kernel I personally dislike the the Linux kernel-driver separation model (I believe these should better be made more separate, like in Windows) but other people (kernel hackers probably) have mentioned the VMS genes in the NT kernel make it in interesting in more ways. But what's wrong with the GNU/Linux userspace? I can't name a single problem with it.

overgard 8y ago

Arguably windows was much more of a disaster 10+ and 20+ years ago in the XP and 95 eras. I have trouble seeing microsoft give up something they've invested 30ish years on without a really obvious reason.

qwerty456127 8y ago
At least it didn't spend hours on applying mandatory updates just to stop working completely in the XP and 95 eras. When I was using Windows XP I ran Windows Update once in some months and everything worked perfectly.