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Surprising amount of support for IP theft here today. The US got away with it because countries like the UK couldn't police it during the industrial revolution

Surprising amount of support for IP theft here today. The US got away with it because countries like the UK couldn't police it during the industrial revolution. Whoops. The Chinese got away with it because the US couldn't police it on the global stage. Whoops. --- But the US might've found a way to police it effectively now... soooo why would we not? Why would we permit it because others historically got away with it? Without civility, you only own what you can defend.

bilbo0s 8y ago
>But the US might've found a way to police it effectively now... soooo why would we not?... That's just the thing though right? I mean, if the Chinese are engaging in IP theft in a fashion that is both broad, (across all industries), and brazen, then how effective can our policing methods be? The only thing we can really do is stop trading with them. Which is really not going to stop them stealing ideas, nor will it stop their domestic market from growing. The reason every great power in history engaged in blatant IP theft, is because it really has been extremely difficult to prevent it throughout human history. (Greeks were really smart, so Romans and Egyptians stole metallurgy from them.) IP theft is just a hard problem.
stale2002 8y ago
> But the US might've found a way to police it effectively now... soooo why would we not? Because IP law is morally wrong and makes the world a significantly worse place? Anything that underminds IP law is good, in my book, no matter who benefits. There are lots of horrible things in the world that would be economicly beneficial to the offending party, that we don't do because they are wrong.
Havoc 8y ago
>But the US might've found a way to police it effectively now eh...really? Like how? You really think IP theft got halted because one guy was arrested?
forkandwait 8y ago
A lot of us don't really think intellectual property is actually property and thar the notion of IP is, well, bullshit.
- pfisch 8y ago
  Sounds good. Lets shut down all private medical research and call it a day then right?
  - checkyoursudo 8y ago
    I'm not sure that I would have a problem with medical research all being in the public domain.
- kickopotomus 8y ago
  If that is the case, then how do you propose that any private organization (especially small ones) should operate?
  - incognition 8y ago
    There's still trade secrets. That's what you do when you can't patent something or don't think it provides sufficient protection. That naturally asks how to keep trade secrets better? Manufacture domestically, air gapped servers, better pentesting etc. etc.
  - forkandwait 8y ago
    A lot of Chinese organizations make stuff and sell that.
- analog31 8y ago
  What is property, and why?

bilbo0s 8y ago

>But the US might've found a way to police it effectively now... soooo why would we not?... That's just the thing though right? I mean, if the Chinese are engaging in IP theft in a fashion that is both broad, (across all industries), and brazen, then how effective can our policing methods be? The only thing we can really do is stop trading with them. Which is really not going to stop them stealing ideas, nor will it stop their domestic market from growing. The reason every great power in history engaged in blatant IP theft, is because it really has been extremely difficult to prevent it throughout human history. (Greeks were really smart, so Romans and Egyptians stole metallurgy from them.) IP theft is just a hard problem.

stale2002 8y ago

> But the US might've found a way to police it effectively now... soooo why would we not? Because IP law is morally wrong and makes the world a significantly worse place? Anything that underminds IP law is good, in my book, no matter who benefits. There are lots of horrible things in the world that would be economicly beneficial to the offending party, that we don't do because they are wrong.

Havoc 8y ago

>But the US might've found a way to police it effectively now eh...really? Like how? You really think IP theft got halted because one guy was arrested?

forkandwait 8y ago

A lot of us don't really think intellectual property is actually property and thar the notion of IP is, well, bullshit.

pfisch 8y ago
Sounds good. Lets shut down all private medical research and call it a day then right?
- checkyoursudo 8y ago
  I'm not sure that I would have a problem with medical research all being in the public domain.
kickopotomus 8y ago
If that is the case, then how do you propose that any private organization (especially small ones) should operate?
- incognition 8y ago
  There's still trade secrets. That's what you do when you can't patent something or don't think it provides sufficient protection. That naturally asks how to keep trade secrets better? Manufacture domestically, air gapped servers, better pentesting etc. etc.
- forkandwait 8y ago
  A lot of Chinese organizations make stuff and sell that.
analog31 8y ago
What is property, and why?