> It's really not the same thing, lets not pretend that it is... You're right. Look, software is complicated, and there's no way, yet, to make it bug free for

> It's really not the same thing, lets not pretend that it is... You're right. Look, software is complicated, and there's no way, yet, to make it bug free for any meaningful system. I get that. But at the same time, let's stop calling ourselves engineers if we keep hiding behind 'bugs happen'. We need to be a LOT more responsible than that. Does that mean regulation? If we keep going down the road we're on, yes. Because I gotta be honest, I'm tired of hearing, 'bugs happen' and I, the consumer, am the one who suffers.