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> If you fine Facebook, you have to fine the small companies too... Absolutely nothing wrong with that. If a small trucking company has a driver that speeds,

> If you fine Facebook, you have to fine the small companies too... Absolutely nothing wrong with that. If a small trucking company has a driver that speeds, that driver gets fined the same way a driver for a large trucking company does. > Of course the fines have to be proportional to the number of affected users. Of course.

bad_user 8y ago
Personally I hate analogies. The recipe for how a driver should not go over the speed limit is well known. Nowadays you even have the GPS apps alerting you and many trucks get monitored in real time from the dispatch center, drivers risking to be fired if not exactly on schedule. Most software projects are greenfield ... people reuse previous work when available and for a good price, but all custom changes are greenfield. Do you really think that the guy responsible for Heartbleed [1] was aware when he introduced that bug, just like a truck driver going over the speed limit? It's really not the same thing, lets not pretend that it is and regulation in this field would have a chilling effect for open source or startups, because only big companies like Facebook will still be willing to develop critical software, which is definitely not what we want. [1] http://heartbleed.com/ http://heartbleed.com/
- JustSomeNobody 8y ago
  > It's really not the same thing, lets not pretend that it is... You're right. Look, software is complicated, and there's no way, yet, to make it bug free for any meaningful system. I get that. But at the same time, let's stop calling ourselves engineers if we keep hiding behind 'bugs happen'. We need to be a LOT more responsible than that. Does that mean regulation? If we keep going down the road we're on, yes. Because I gotta be honest, I'm tired of hearing, 'bugs happen' and I, the consumer, am the one who suffers.
- Spooky23 8y ago
  No, you’re wrong. Speeding is one minor factor in driver or truck safety. Motor Carrier regulation is about much more than speeding. It’s a difficult problem that is addressed via a federal/state/local framework of regulation and enforcement. I’ve worked in engineering roles where law made me potentially criminally liable for negligent handling of certain data. We took things more seriously than Facebook.

bad_user 8y ago

Personally I hate analogies. The recipe for how a driver should not go over the speed limit is well known. Nowadays you even have the GPS apps alerting you and many trucks get monitored in real time from the dispatch center, drivers risking to be fired if not exactly on schedule. Most software projects are greenfield ... people reuse previous work when available and for a good price, but all custom changes are greenfield. Do you really think that the guy responsible for Heartbleed [1] was aware when he introduced that bug, just like a truck driver going over the speed limit? It's really not the same thing, lets not pretend that it is and regulation in this field would have a chilling effect for open source or startups, because only big companies like Facebook will still be willing to develop critical software, which is definitely not what we want. [1] http://heartbleed.com/ http://heartbleed.com/

JustSomeNobody 8y ago
> It's really not the same thing, lets not pretend that it is... You're right. Look, software is complicated, and there's no way, yet, to make it bug free for any meaningful system. I get that. But at the same time, let's stop calling ourselves engineers if we keep hiding behind 'bugs happen'. We need to be a LOT more responsible than that. Does that mean regulation? If we keep going down the road we're on, yes. Because I gotta be honest, I'm tired of hearing, 'bugs happen' and I, the consumer, am the one who suffers.
Spooky23 8y ago
No, you’re wrong. Speeding is one minor factor in driver or truck safety. Motor Carrier regulation is about much more than speeding. It’s a difficult problem that is addressed via a federal/state/local framework of regulation and enforcement. I’ve worked in engineering roles where law made me potentially criminally liable for negligent handling of certain data. We took things more seriously than Facebook.