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MMGW: Man made Global Warming. >It's about a problem that should be taken seriously, because it is _global_ and it will affect future generations! And you do

MMGW: Man made Global Warming. >It's about a problem that should be taken seriously, because it is _global_ and it will affect future generations! And you do it again. Look, when you run out here screaming "We have to do something now! No time to discuss it and the other side are spewing nonsense anyway" you have the opposite effect. If time really is of the essence then all efforts should be in (a) proving that we fully understand the nature/cause of the problem, (b) coming up with real solutions/timelines/etc. and (c) addressing all skeptics concerns (over and over, as much as is required). It's not an easy battle but what MMGW proponents [1] are asking for isn't a simple flip of a switch. [1] Just for completeness: I'm not purposely taking sides. I've seen both good arguments and scandalous rubbish from both sides. I personally believe that something is happening to the environment and am open to be convinced that we are the culprit. But for me personally, I don't need to be convinced of either of these things. I think green technology is a good thing and should be perused regardless. Even if we aren't causing a green house effect that will melt the world and kill everyone we are poisoning our oceans (and the yummy creatures that live in them), destroying our forests, ecosystems and wild life (some of which I want to be saved for the selfish reason that I want to continue eating them and can't if they don't exist anymore). I also think we're moving in the right direction and have optimism that humanity will find a way like it always has so far.

buster 16y ago
I get what you mean. But: You can lean back and discuss for the next decades without making a move in a direction. You can discuss and discuss and both sides will bring arguments and you will never find a conclusion. It's a sham. On the other hand it is quite obvious (without discussions, statistics, yada yada yada) that we are polluting the planet. I don't need figures for that, i just need to look out of my window. Germany, for example, is investing quite a lot into green energy. Just for fun? Or probably with a reason? But, what bothers me, is the feeling that most people don't want to think about it. It's easier to accept the argument that everything is fine, not care about it and live as if nothing happened without reflecting. I guess many people are (subconsciously) thinking like that. And reading those "false" claims on twitter may be reason enough for many people to just believe it without questioning it. That's why it's good to have some "counterweight". I don't know if i made myself clear enough, but well... The quintessence is to not look away but do something.
- loewenskind 16y ago
  >You can discuss and discuss and both sides will bring arguments and you will never find a conclusion. It's a sham. If we can't solve this problem then anything we do to save the environment now is just a band-aid. >Germany, for example, is investing quite a lot into green energy. Just for fun? Or probably with a reason? I think most everyone is on board with polluting less (with the obvious exception of people like the Koch brothers), it's just a question of how. People point out, for example, that creating green technology can be more damaging then the potential savings in using it. I personally don't give this this argument much merit because we tend to get better at things when we do them more, but it just goes to show you that people who care just as much as you do still don't agree on how to tackle the issue. >It's easier to accept the argument that everything is fine, not care about it and live as if nothing happened without reflecting. I'm not sure as many people do this as you think. They may not agree with the severity of the issue but everyone understands that we are destroying at least parts of our environment (e.g. poisoning the oceans). That's not controversial. >The quintessence is to not look away but do something. We are. Not as fast as some people might like, but people are trying things. The reason is simple: there's money in it.

buster 16y ago

I get what you mean. But: You can lean back and discuss for the next decades without making a move in a direction. You can discuss and discuss and both sides will bring arguments and you will never find a conclusion. It's a sham. On the other hand it is quite obvious (without discussions, statistics, yada yada yada) that we are polluting the planet. I don't need figures for that, i just need to look out of my window. Germany, for example, is investing quite a lot into green energy. Just for fun? Or probably with a reason? But, what bothers me, is the feeling that most people don't want to think about it. It's easier to accept the argument that everything is fine, not care about it and live as if nothing happened without reflecting. I guess many people are (subconsciously) thinking like that. And reading those "false" claims on twitter may be reason enough for many people to just believe it without questioning it. That's why it's good to have some "counterweight". I don't know if i made myself clear enough, but well... The quintessence is to not look away but do something.

loewenskind 16y ago
>You can discuss and discuss and both sides will bring arguments and you will never find a conclusion. It's a sham. If we can't solve this problem then anything we do to save the environment now is just a band-aid. >Germany, for example, is investing quite a lot into green energy. Just for fun? Or probably with a reason? I think most everyone is on board with polluting less (with the obvious exception of people like the Koch brothers), it's just a question of how. People point out, for example, that creating green technology can be more damaging then the potential savings in using it. I personally don't give this this argument much merit because we tend to get better at things when we do them more, but it just goes to show you that people who care just as much as you do still don't agree on how to tackle the issue. >It's easier to accept the argument that everything is fine, not care about it and live as if nothing happened without reflecting. I'm not sure as many people do this as you think. They may not agree with the severity of the issue but everyone understands that we are destroying at least parts of our environment (e.g. poisoning the oceans). That's not controversial. >The quintessence is to not look away but do something. We are. Not as fast as some people might like, but people are trying things. The reason is simple: there's money in it.