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I agree that there are some cargo cult farming practices like biodynamics. The reality is, permaculture, a systems approach to farming, works. Not just in profi

I agree that there are some cargo cult farming practices like biodynamics. The reality is, permaculture, a systems approach to farming, works. Not just in profit or yield, but also for unaccounted for value such as biodiversity. Look, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. You have provided little more than anecdotal evidence; no better than the 'the postings of internet denizens who've read some blog posts'. Permaculture has enormous potential to restore environments and ecosystems[0] and is better for the environment than industrial farming[1]. I'm actually genuinely curious why you seem to have such hate for permaculture? What has it done to you that you dislike it so much? [0]https://www.omicsonline.org/scholarly/permaculture-journals- https://www.omicsonline.org/scholarly/permaculture-journals- articles-ppts-list.php [1]https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/10/9/3218 https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/10/9/3218

toasterlovin 8y ago
I don't hate permaculture. If it works, I'm all for it. But it seems like a fad, so I'm skeptical. And there's a certain level of dipshittery and lack of critical thinking on this website when it comes to diet and food production. I'm not sure why that is, but it's almost as if diet is religious and/or ideological for many people. So I push back. Regarding facts: you're right, I'm not entitled to my own facts. But here's a fact for you: roughly 2.5 * 10^14 calories are consumed in the U.S. each year (360 million people * 2,000 calories/day * 365 days). Approximately 0% of those calories are produced using permaculture. The producers of those calories are voting with their feet on the viability of permaculture to produce the calories needed to feed Americans. So on the one hand, we have all of the people most intimately involved in the day-to-day business of producing food. And on the other we have a bunch of people making noise on the internet and in academia. You'll have to forgive me for assuming that the people with real, practical knowledge are probably right here.

toasterlovin 8y ago

I don't hate permaculture. If it works, I'm all for it. But it seems like a fad, so I'm skeptical. And there's a certain level of dipshittery and lack of critical thinking on this website when it comes to diet and food production. I'm not sure why that is, but it's almost as if diet is religious and/or ideological for many people. So I push back. Regarding facts: you're right, I'm not entitled to my own facts. But here's a fact for you: roughly 2.5 * 10^14 calories are consumed in the U.S. each year (360 million people * 2,000 calories/day * 365 days). Approximately 0% of those calories are produced using permaculture. The producers of those calories are voting with their feet on the viability of permaculture to produce the calories needed to feed Americans. So on the one hand, we have all of the people most intimately involved in the day-to-day business of producing food. And on the other we have a bunch of people making noise on the internet and in academia. You'll have to forgive me for assuming that the people with real, practical knowledge are probably right here.