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> Doesn’t hold up? What other company is there is making a bigger impact pushing us to electrify? Zurich public transport, every single train company. Claiming

> Doesn’t hold up? What other company is there is making a bigger impact pushing us to electrify? Zurich public transport, every single train company. Claiming electric personal cars are a solution to anything is a joke. > And the “Mars is a conspiracy” is just not true. Musk can be sincere in his motivations while still not being pleasant to work with. I'm sure he's sincere about colonising Mars. It's just that it's a terrible idea and making it appear as a benefit to society requires some significant mental exercises. But ever since at least Lenin it's pretty much common knowledge that just increases commitment amongst the converted.

nickik 8y ago
If I were the dictator and could force everybody to do as I say tge world would be so much better. You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that public transport and trains can replace cars. And you can believe about mars whatever you want. Even if collonisation doesnt happen, getting to mars alone is already a huge achievment. Just the tech the have done so far has been a huge achievment.
- LaGrange 8y ago
  > You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that public transport and trains can replace cars. You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that's what I wrote, but we both know that you're consciously strawmanning.
  - nickik 8y ago
    There will be millions of cars sold for many, many years to come. Far, far more then we can now produce EV. Large parts of the world are not gone be served by trains. Cars right now are a huge part of total oil consumption replacing that is hugely important. Trains are established technology and no train company in the world is gone reduce total oil consumption at the rate that Tesla is producing cars now DIRECTLY competing against an oil driven resource that is gone be around for 20+ years. So tell me what other company right now is doing more to reduce oil consumption in transportation and even more important, is growing at the rate Tesla is growing. And that is even without the impact of Tesla on the vehicle market.
    - LaGrange 8y ago
      > So tell me what other company right now is doing more to reduce oil consumption in transportation and even more important, is growing at the rate Tesla is growing. And that is even without the impact of Tesla on the vehicle market. Regardless of your non-sequiturs and strawmanning, the Zurich public transport authority http://photo.tramscape.com/trolleybus/2013_mini_trolleybus.jpg http://photo.tramscape.com/trolleybus/2013_mini_trolleybus.j... Edit: also, a true devotee like you should be aware that Musks main motivation is his hate for traveling with other people, not "reducing the oil consumption."

nickik 8y ago

If I were the dictator and could force everybody to do as I say tge world would be so much better. You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that public transport and trains can replace cars. And you can believe about mars whatever you want. Even if collonisation doesnt happen, getting to mars alone is already a huge achievment. Just the tech the have done so far has been a huge achievment.

LaGrange 8y ago
> You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that public transport and trains can replace cars. You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that's what I wrote, but we both know that you're consciously strawmanning.
- nickik 8y ago
  There will be millions of cars sold for many, many years to come. Far, far more then we can now produce EV. Large parts of the world are not gone be served by trains. Cars right now are a huge part of total oil consumption replacing that is hugely important. Trains are established technology and no train company in the world is gone reduce total oil consumption at the rate that Tesla is producing cars now DIRECTLY competing against an oil driven resource that is gone be around for 20+ years. So tell me what other company right now is doing more to reduce oil consumption in transportation and even more important, is growing at the rate Tesla is growing. And that is even without the impact of Tesla on the vehicle market.
  - LaGrange 8y ago
    > So tell me what other company right now is doing more to reduce oil consumption in transportation and even more important, is growing at the rate Tesla is growing. And that is even without the impact of Tesla on the vehicle market. Regardless of your non-sequiturs and strawmanning, the Zurich public transport authority http://photo.tramscape.com/trolleybus/2013_mini_trolleybus.jpg http://photo.tramscape.com/trolleybus/2013_mini_trolleybus.j... Edit: also, a true devotee like you should be aware that Musks main motivation is his hate for traveling with other people, not "reducing the oil consumption."