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Why would anyone work there if this is the case? I agree that Tesla cars are very futuristic, but glory all goes to the company and Elon. Do employee get like

Why would anyone work there if this is the case? I agree that Tesla cars are very futuristic, but glory all goes to the company and Elon. Do employee get like a huge bonus or something if they survived long enough? There's got be a reason this article is not mentioning.

LaGrange 8y ago
The entire Mars, gonna save the world shtick? It's a recruitment ploy. Most of his claims don't hold up to closer scrutiny, but it's aimed at young tech professionals who _really want_ for their job to make sense, so much, that they're willing to overlook both the evidence it might not _and_ the bad quality of a job offer, just to hook themselves to someone who has a "bright vision." Truth is, much of tech nowadays doesn't even pretend to care about any benefit to society. And spotting a scam, when a part of the scam is literally offering you a sense of self-worth? That requires some rather painful introspection.
- Robotbeat 8y ago
  Doesn’t hold up? What other company is there is making a bigger impact pushing us to electrify? And the “Mars is a conspiracy” is just not true. Musk can be sincere in his motivations while still not being pleasant to work with.
  - LaGrange 8y ago
    > Doesn’t hold up? What other company is there is making a bigger impact pushing us to electrify? Zurich public transport, every single train company. Claiming electric personal cars are a solution to anything is a joke. > And the “Mars is a conspiracy” is just not true. Musk can be sincere in his motivations while still not being pleasant to work with. I'm sure he's sincere about colonising Mars. It's just that it's a terrible idea and making it appear as a benefit to society requires some significant mental exercises. But ever since at least Lenin it's pretty much common knowledge that just increases commitment amongst the converted.
    - nickik 8y ago
      If I were the dictator and could force everybody to do as I say tge world would be so much better. You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that public transport and trains can replace cars. And you can believe about mars whatever you want. Even if collonisation doesnt happen, getting to mars alone is already a huge achievment. Just the tech the have done so far has been a huge achievment.
      - LaGrange 8y ago
        > You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that public transport and trains can replace cars. You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that's what I wrote, but we both know that you're consciously strawmanning.
        nickik 8y ago
        There will be millions of cars sold for many, many years to come. Far, far more then we can now produce EV. Large parts of the world are not gone be served by trains. Cars right now are a huge part of total oil consumption replacing that is hugely important. Trains are established technology and no train company in the world is gone reduce total oil consumption at the rate that Tesla is producing cars now DIRECTLY competing against an oil driven resource that is gone be around for 20+ years. So tell me what other company right now is doing more to reduce oil consumption in transportation and even more important, is growing at the rate Tesla is growing. And that is even without the impact of Tesla on the vehicle market.
        LaGrange 8y ago
        > So tell me what other company right now is doing more to reduce oil consumption in transportation and even more important, is growing at the rate Tesla is growing. And that is even without the impact of Tesla on the vehicle market. Regardless of your non-sequiturs and strawmanning, the Zurich public transport authority http://photo.tramscape.com/trolleybus/2013_mini_trolleybus.jpg http://photo.tramscape.com/trolleybus/2013_mini_trolleybus.j... Edit: also, a true devotee like you should be aware that Musks main motivation is his hate for traveling with other people, not "reducing the oil consumption."
- ConfusedDog 8y ago
  It might not be a poly, Elon probably sincere about that. It doesn't change the fact that it's terrible working for someone treat his employees like that. I think probably it's a strategic thing. I have given it some thoughts, it probably works somewhat like this. Mars, well, Elon is a recruitment tool. So, recruiting talents hasn't been an issue for Tesla. There is a natural turnover rate for technical staff either case. Elon figures so long his metrics is okay, everything will be fine, which is "incoming talents ~= outgoing talents" (adjust the operator as company expand or reduction). So far the company has expanded too fast, so Elon let his ego take over to abuse at will. Also probably due to stress, etc. I called "controlled let go." (both the employees and his self control) Haha. Of course this is just speculation.

LaGrange 8y ago

The entire Mars, gonna save the world shtick? It's a recruitment ploy. Most of his claims don't hold up to closer scrutiny, but it's aimed at young tech professionals who _really want_ for their job to make sense, so much, that they're willing to overlook both the evidence it might not _and_ the bad quality of a job offer, just to hook themselves to someone who has a "bright vision." Truth is, much of tech nowadays doesn't even pretend to care about any benefit to society. And spotting a scam, when a part of the scam is literally offering you a sense of self-worth? That requires some rather painful introspection.

Robotbeat 8y ago
Doesn’t hold up? What other company is there is making a bigger impact pushing us to electrify? And the “Mars is a conspiracy” is just not true. Musk can be sincere in his motivations while still not being pleasant to work with.
- LaGrange 8y ago
  > Doesn’t hold up? What other company is there is making a bigger impact pushing us to electrify? Zurich public transport, every single train company. Claiming electric personal cars are a solution to anything is a joke. > And the “Mars is a conspiracy” is just not true. Musk can be sincere in his motivations while still not being pleasant to work with. I'm sure he's sincere about colonising Mars. It's just that it's a terrible idea and making it appear as a benefit to society requires some significant mental exercises. But ever since at least Lenin it's pretty much common knowledge that just increases commitment amongst the converted.
  - nickik 8y ago
    If I were the dictator and could force everybody to do as I say tge world would be so much better. You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that public transport and trains can replace cars. And you can believe about mars whatever you want. Even if collonisation doesnt happen, getting to mars alone is already a huge achievment. Just the tech the have done so far has been a huge achievment.
    - LaGrange 8y ago
      > You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that public transport and trains can replace cars. You live in an utter delusional fantasy world if you believe that's what I wrote, but we both know that you're consciously strawmanning.
      - nickik 8y ago
        There will be millions of cars sold for many, many years to come. Far, far more then we can now produce EV. Large parts of the world are not gone be served by trains. Cars right now are a huge part of total oil consumption replacing that is hugely important. Trains are established technology and no train company in the world is gone reduce total oil consumption at the rate that Tesla is producing cars now DIRECTLY competing against an oil driven resource that is gone be around for 20+ years. So tell me what other company right now is doing more to reduce oil consumption in transportation and even more important, is growing at the rate Tesla is growing. And that is even without the impact of Tesla on the vehicle market.
        LaGrange 8y ago
        > So tell me what other company right now is doing more to reduce oil consumption in transportation and even more important, is growing at the rate Tesla is growing. And that is even without the impact of Tesla on the vehicle market. Regardless of your non-sequiturs and strawmanning, the Zurich public transport authority http://photo.tramscape.com/trolleybus/2013_mini_trolleybus.jpg http://photo.tramscape.com/trolleybus/2013_mini_trolleybus.j... Edit: also, a true devotee like you should be aware that Musks main motivation is his hate for traveling with other people, not "reducing the oil consumption."
ConfusedDog 8y ago
It might not be a poly, Elon probably sincere about that. It doesn't change the fact that it's terrible working for someone treat his employees like that. I think probably it's a strategic thing. I have given it some thoughts, it probably works somewhat like this. Mars, well, Elon is a recruitment tool. So, recruiting talents hasn't been an issue for Tesla. There is a natural turnover rate for technical staff either case. Elon figures so long his metrics is okay, everything will be fine, which is "incoming talents ~= outgoing talents" (adjust the operator as company expand or reduction). So far the company has expanded too fast, so Elon let his ego take over to abuse at will. Also probably due to stress, etc. I called "controlled let go." (both the employees and his self control) Haha. Of course this is just speculation.