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> We need to highlight to the world that Saudi investment is good That is, of course, if you're ok with some people being lured into an embassy and cut up into
by yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
> We need to highlight to the world that Saudi investment is good
That is, of course, if you're ok with some people being lured into an embassy and cut up into little pieces.
- justicezyx 8y agoI cannot understand how US citizens tolerant such behavior, we should invade Saudi! (Pun intended)
- unmole 8y agoI don't understand why Kashoggi is brought up so much more frequently compared to what Saudi Arabia is doing in Yemen.
- redwood 8y agoIn general people find it much easier to understand the story of one person than to understand the story of thousands.
- azinman2 8y agoNot to mention it feels more black and white. Killing a dissident journalist in your embassy in another country, coming from up top, directly contradicts the promises/suggestions made by the Prince that SA is modernizing and becoming more free/open. The coverup was amateur, in part aided by Ergodan mastery at slowly leaking intel that just kept poking holes in SA’s story. Meanwhile fighting “terrorism” has lots of gray, and is notoriously messy.
- smitty1110 8y ago"If only one man dies of hunger, that is a tragedy. If millions die, that’s only statistics." - Joseph Stalin Also, Turkey has been dolling out new bits of information about the ambush regularly, keeping the negative stories rolling.
- typon 8y agoWhich in turn is child's play compared to what the US has done in the middle east for the past decade or two
- sodosopa 8y agoIt's the personification of the brutality. You can put one face as opposed to the thousands in the crowd.
- adrr 8y agoYemen is a civil war that has turned into a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Things aren't black and white and its very hard distinguish between propaganda and facts. Khashoggi is very black and white. A US journalist was killed after being lured into a Saudi embassy.
- rootusrootus 8y agoExactly. The fact that 1) he has a face we can identify with, and 2) they lured him into an official establishment of their government and then killed him in cold blood. A place where you might otherwise expect the rule of law to prevail.
- harbie 8y agoSaudi laws aren't even codified. There isn't really a rule of law there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_system_of_Saudi_Arabia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_system_of_Saudi_Arabia
- rootusrootus 8y agoYeah I understand that, what I mean is that from our perspective a person should be able to walk into a government office and be safe from extra-judicial sanctions. So a Saudi national may not feel that safe themselves, but it is harder for someone from a Western-style liberal democracy to intuitively understand and is therefore horrifying.
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- xxpor 8y agoThe press also hates when one of their own is killed (understandably). They have the power to keep it in the headlines, in this this case Turkey helped them out too.
- nemild 8y agoA NY Times journalist explains why some wars are less covered in the US (by comparing Syria coverage to Yemen coverage in the US): "Conflicts gain sustained American attention only when they provide a compelling story line that appeals to both the public and political actors, and for reasons beyond the human toll. That often requires some combination of immediate relevance to American interests, resonance with American political debates or cultural issues, and, perhaps most of all, an emotionally engaging frame of clearly identifiable good guys and bad guys." https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/world/why-some-wars-like-syrias-get-more-attention-than-others-like-yemens.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/world/why-some-wars-like-...
- dovvdkc 8y agoChomsky has a less charitable explanation in his book “manufacturing consent”
- stochastic_monk 8y agoI also wonder why my lawmakers haven’t responded to my requests to respond to the Rohingya crisis. You’re right that the crisis in Yemen is enormous in scale, and it absolutely should be addressed, but the murder of a journalist threatens freedom of information and global accountability and is therefore particularly frightening in that it’s an attack on infrastructure instead of just a person.
- distant_hat 8y agoWell, one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
- marcoperaza 8y agoShould US companies refuse Chinese investment? Should we stop buying oil from Venezuela? Are you for the Cuban embargo (Cuban intelligence agencies have propped up repressive regimes, like Venezuela, throughout Latin America)? Should Apple stop doing business with Chinese suppliers? What Saudi Arabia did is BAD. Very bad. But I don't understand the singular obsession with it as a call to action, compared to the above for example.
- rbg246 8y agoBecause the difference is, US doesn't say that China and Cuba are it's allies, it gives active assistance to the Saudis to continue their regime
- yakshaving_jgt 8y agoUm… Yes? Ever heard of sanctions and boycotts?
- mirimir 8y agoI'm almost certain that there's something about just every nation that I would find just as unacceptable. Put another way, judging nations based on particular actions is iffy at best.