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Probably because it is work and the police don't care. In California with Prop 47, it might not even be a crime to steal packages.

lightedman 8y ago
" In California with Prop 47, it might not even be a crime to steal packages." Good thing California doesn't make laws and regulations related to packages and mail, the USPS does, so it is still a federal crime to steal packages.
- zdragnar 8y ago
  Genuine question, does that apply to packages delivered by ups or FedEx?
  - briandear 8y ago
    It does not.
    - lightedman 8y ago
      Tell that to the guys in Riverside, CA doing time for mail theft right now. See, we get these nice e-mail updates from the police regarding our specific neighborhood (because it is a rich one, the Wood Streets.) They busted four people following FedEx and UPS trucks and stealing packages right off the front porch. Federal charges, right there. Mail is mail is mail, period.
jimbo1qaz 8y ago
Why is this comment being downvoted?
- tedunangst 8y ago
  Perhaps a direct quote from prop 47 would clarify how it makes theft not a crime.
  - zdragnar 8y ago
    Theft of goods valued under $950 was reclassified from a felony to a misdemeanor, regardless of what the item in question is (a case in 2017 was a car!). So, still a crime, on par with jaywalking and littering (which, in Cali, is a minimim $100 fine + 8 hours community service). And yet, we're talking about things that could be Christmas gifts, baby food, medicine, people's means of transportation, you name it.
    - mikeash 8y ago
      Is jaywalking really a misdemeanor? That would be incredibly harsh.
      - zdragnar 8y ago
        Not in California, same for littering (the reference to Cali was only for the fine + hours of community service). However, it is in Nevada: https://www.shouselaw.com/nevada/misdemeanor-law.html https://www.shouselaw.com/nevada/misdemeanor-law.html and various other jurisdictions.
        mikeash 8y ago
        Interesting, apparently because misdemeanor is the lowest possible category. Most places classify it as an “infraction” which is a step below a misdemeanor. I bet that has caused some unfortunate fuss with people “convicted of a misdemeanor” for a simple speeding ticket trying to explain it in a state where a misdemeanor is something more serious.
    - stickfigure 8y ago
      on par with jaywalking and littering This is false. Jaywalking and littering (and most traffic offenses) are infractions, not misdemeanors. Misdemeanors are still serious crimes that can result in jailtime.
      - zdragnar 8y ago
masonic 8y ago
it might not even be a crime The relevant question becomes, "is a crime that is not prosecuted materially different from a non-crime?"

lightedman 8y ago

" In California with Prop 47, it might not even be a crime to steal packages." Good thing California doesn't make laws and regulations related to packages and mail, the USPS does, so it is still a federal crime to steal packages.

zdragnar 8y ago
Genuine question, does that apply to packages delivered by ups or FedEx?
- briandear 8y ago
  It does not.
  - lightedman 8y ago
    Tell that to the guys in Riverside, CA doing time for mail theft right now. See, we get these nice e-mail updates from the police regarding our specific neighborhood (because it is a rich one, the Wood Streets.) They busted four people following FedEx and UPS trucks and stealing packages right off the front porch. Federal charges, right there. Mail is mail is mail, period.

jimbo1qaz 8y ago

Why is this comment being downvoted?

tedunangst 8y ago
Perhaps a direct quote from prop 47 would clarify how it makes theft not a crime.
- zdragnar 8y ago
  Theft of goods valued under $950 was reclassified from a felony to a misdemeanor, regardless of what the item in question is (a case in 2017 was a car!). So, still a crime, on par with jaywalking and littering (which, in Cali, is a minimim $100 fine + 8 hours community service). And yet, we're talking about things that could be Christmas gifts, baby food, medicine, people's means of transportation, you name it.
  - mikeash 8y ago
    Is jaywalking really a misdemeanor? That would be incredibly harsh.
    - zdragnar 8y ago
      Not in California, same for littering (the reference to Cali was only for the fine + hours of community service). However, it is in Nevada: https://www.shouselaw.com/nevada/misdemeanor-law.html https://www.shouselaw.com/nevada/misdemeanor-law.html and various other jurisdictions.
      - mikeash 8y ago
        Interesting, apparently because misdemeanor is the lowest possible category. Most places classify it as an “infraction” which is a step below a misdemeanor. I bet that has caused some unfortunate fuss with people “convicted of a misdemeanor” for a simple speeding ticket trying to explain it in a state where a misdemeanor is something more serious.
  - stickfigure 8y ago
    on par with jaywalking and littering This is false. Jaywalking and littering (and most traffic offenses) are infractions, not misdemeanors. Misdemeanors are still serious crimes that can result in jailtime.
    - zdragnar 8y ago

masonic 8y ago

it might not even be a crime The relevant question becomes, "is a crime that is not prosecuted materially different from a non-crime?"