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Saudi Arabia Quietly Pumps Up Its Stock Market
- vuln 8y agohttps://outline.com/rCAanC https://outline.com/rCAanC
- craftyguy 8y agoWhat is this?
- SeanAnderson 8y agoOutline is a service which bypasses WSJ's paywall. I believe it does so by imitating a web crawler. The idea is that WSJ can't paywall a crawler otherwise its SEO will be destroyed. Thus it is a reliable way to capture the information.
- craftyguy 8y agoThanks. Rather than just post random links to unheard of sites, it would be great if those links had a short description of what the link is.
- oh_sigh 8y agoI agree, and FYI, if you click the 'web' link which is under the article title on the comments page, if you click the first result, you will have google effectively do what outline.com does for you.
- bredren 8y agoI'm confused on why this works. I see the promoted version at the top of the SERPs opens up the full article, but the first actual SERP, which is the same article shows the paywall.
- oh_sigh 8y agoDo you know why google allows WSJ et al to serve one set of content to a crawler, but another to an actual user? I thought they punished that kind of behavior.
- SeanAnderson 8y agoI don't have any information that isn't public, no. Just building off of previous discussions of outline.com in HN threads.
- yakshaving_jgt 8y agoFrom their site: > Outline is a free service for reading and annotating news articles. We remove the clutter so you can analyze and comment on the content. In today’s climate of widespread misinformation, Outline empowers readers to verify the facts. A noble initiative, I think.
- listenallyall 8y agoPerhaps, if the poster can be relied upon to follow the terms: You represent and warrant that you have all the rights to the Content and that none of the Content: (a) infringes, misappropriates or violates any Intellectual Property Rights; Do you actually believe whoever posted the original link has the rights to the content? And is not infringing the Wall Street Journal's IP rights? https://www.outline.com/terms.html https://www.outline.com/terms.html
- mh8h 8y agoAn alternative is to put the word full before wsj in the URL. It opens a redirect page from Facebook, and effectively bypasses the paywall. https://www.fullwsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-pumps-up-stock-market-after-bad-news-including-khashoggi-murder-11544727772 https://www.fullwsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-pumps-up-stock...
- booleandilemma 8y agoOr we could actually support journalists so we don’t end up in a dystopia where we have to get all our news from BuzzFeed and Mashable.
- redwood 8y agoMurdoch you mean?
- porpoisely 8y agoNews Corp ( WSJ's owner ) is one of the largest companies in the world. It's founder is one of the wealthiest men in the world. I don't think anyone at the WSJ is starving. Besides, if you want to support journalism, find and support independent journalists doing real journalism rather than mega corporations. If anyone needs support, it's the independent journalists.
- listenallyall 8y agoIt's not up to you to decide from whom you're allowed to steal content. You can't steal money from Bill Gates's wallet just because "you don't think he's starving," even if you plan to give that money to a needy charity.
- muhneesh 8y agoI take it you're not a fan of Robin Hood
- yipbub 8y agoActually, only the law says I can't do that.
- SXX 8y agoOh come on. When does circumventing of paywall become stealing?
- listenallyall 8y ago
- icpmacdo 8y agoIts like political quantitative easing, seems like a scary house of cards assembled.
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- yakshaving_jgt 8y ago> We need to highlight to the world that Saudi investment is good That is, of course, if you're ok with some people being lured into an embassy and cut up into little pieces.
- justicezyx 8y agoI cannot understand how US citizens tolerant such behavior, we should invade Saudi! (Pun intended)
- unmole 8y agoI don't understand why Kashoggi is brought up so much more frequently compared to what Saudi Arabia is doing in Yemen.
- redwood 8y agoIn general people find it much easier to understand the story of one person than to understand the story of thousands.
- azinman2 8y agoNot to mention it feels more black and white. Killing a dissident journalist in your embassy in another country, coming from up top, directly contradicts the promises/suggestions made by the Prince that SA is modernizing and becoming more free/open. The coverup was amateur, in part aided by Ergodan mastery at slowly leaking intel that just kept poking holes in SA’s story. Meanwhile fighting “terrorism” has lots of gray, and is notoriously messy.
- smitty1110 8y ago"If only one man dies of hunger, that is a tragedy. If millions die, that’s only statistics." - Joseph Stalin Also, Turkey has been dolling out new bits of information about the ambush regularly, keeping the negative stories rolling.
- typon 8y agoWhich in turn is child's play compared to what the US has done in the middle east for the past decade or two
- alt3red 8y agoThank you for this. I don't know why people keep posting links that are behind a paywall.
- mannykannot 8y agoBecause that is a secondary concern compared to the quality and value of the information. If there are alternative sources or means of access, they will likely be found. Personally, I don't demand to be spoon-fed.
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- dang 8y agoIf there's a workaround, it's ok. Users usually post workarounds in the thread. This is in the FAQ at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and there's more explanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix&page=0&query=by:dang%20paywall https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18677791 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18677791 and marked it off-topic.
- mullingitover 8y agoGood. Injustice should be really, really expensive in the 21st century. I hope the bill just keeps getting bigger for them.
- anonu 8y agoNah - They're only putting money into their own pockets by doing this. Look at it this way - you own 75% (a guess - but prob not far off) of a couple $trillion market. If you take some of your idle cash ($1billions) to pump the stock up - even if you "lose" that cash - but manage to stabilize the market - you're still doing pretty well for yourself...
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- jpatokal 8y ago> the Saudi government has placed huge buy orders, often in the closing minutes of negative trading days, to boost the market. This sounds quite exploitable. Buy low before the end of the trading day, sell high at the end.
- leroy_masochist 8y agoInteresting to ponder how this would actually be structured as puts and calls, i.e., what does the arb trade look like to exploit the fact that the KSA government will always shore up bad trading days. Paging Matt Levine....
- crb002 8y agoBuying on the dip is rational market actor. Devious is shorting stocks or buying put options then creating mayhem to crash the market and really making $$$.
- the_cat_kittles 8y agoyes. 100% of the time when the price goes down you should buy. smart.
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- tradethedelta 8y agoNothing new - if there was 1% of the oversight on the markets that there is in the US, 90% of traders on the Saudi market would be put in prison for some sort of insider trading.... Rampant pump & dump has been going on for years.
- qwerty456127 8y agoThis makes me feel a little-bit conspirologist like if the stocks were dropped down intentionally to let them buy more.
- throwaway713 8y agoI have no problem paying for good journalism, but it's the equivalent of posting a link to a book or a paywalled research article on HN. Useless to anyone that doesn't buy it or have a subscription.
- throwaway713 8y agoRegarding downvotes for an opinion you disagree with: instead of taking the opportunity to present an argument that would change my mind on the issue, you’d rather that I continue flagging all WSJ articles and feel bad about being downvoted.
- here2day 8y agoCrypto Jews manipulate stock market to appease Americans into not caring about their war crimes, color me surprised. To the downvoters -- Everything I said is factual, other than the surprised part.
- dang 8y agoYou can't do this here. We've banned the account.