We both recognize the difficulty but OP doesn't seem willing to accept the self sacrifice necessary to get to the end goal, which is what I was attempting to em

We both recognize the difficulty but OP doesn't seem willing to accept the self sacrifice necessary to get to the end goal, which is what I was attempting to emphasize. As long as MS know that people aren't willing to make sacrifices (and we're using the term loosely) like that they will have no reason to change and the cycle will continue.