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You can only see massive corn and soybean "farms", where everything labour intensive is imported. The world is not like that. Most fruit and vegetables you eat

You can only see massive corn and soybean "farms", where everything labour intensive is imported. The world is not like that. Most fruit and vegetables you eat have some element of manual labour. > None of those things are relevant at all. The genetic difference between crop species and their wild ancestors is tiny, and in fact most crop species out-compete their wild ancestors when sowed together. Try growing tomato. It needs to 45-60 days before you can eat anything. It requires herbicides and sometimes manual weeding. Special plows are used to prepare the field. It is often chemically pollinated. For high yield, you will manually remove the lower sprouts. If you want to grow vertically you need again manually lace tomatoes. Often tomatoes will use drip irrigation that needs to be manually setup. https://bit.ly/2zYZ9s7 https://bit.ly/2zYZ9s7 https://bit.ly/2UHvZGL https://bit.ly/2UHvZGL https://bit.ly/2UJr0VW https://bit.ly/2UJr0VW In EU you can have Tomato Farm. Farming is an umbrella term for food production. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farm > How do you think that driving equipment, literally the only labor done on a farm, is not labor? This isn't the 1800s, all farming involves is driving slowly for hours at a time, unless you have a self-driving tractor in which case it involves playing games on your phone. Tillage is literally the slowest and most fuel burning procedure in many primitive farming operations. Only for some crops is harvesting worse. But hey what do I know, I am totally not a farmer right? I bet people who study this for a living in the biggest farming area on the planet will say something else right? Oops, they say I am right. I guess it because they are not a farmer too! That your idea of farming. Compared to tomato production tilling is a low effort. > No we do not. The coulters on the planter simply open the soil for the seed to be deposited. Seriously, go look at a no-till planter before pretending they don't exist. You are thinking of strip tilling, which is a form of conservation tillage. No-till is not conservation tillage, it is no tillage. In Europe only like 4% farmland is zero-till. Everything else is either conservative or full till. Zero-till can only be used for very specific crops.

agsdfgsd 8y ago
>Most fruit and vegetables you eat have some element of manual labour. And that is relevant how? >Try growing tomato. You try. Literally nothing you said except 45-60 days is correct. And literally none of it is relevant to the discussion. What on earth does tomatoes taking 60 days to start producing fruit have to do with no-till or weeds? Pro-tip: my garden is full of tomatoes. It is not tilled, plowed, weeded, fertilized, irrigated, or sprayed with anything. Pruning tomatoes lowers the yield per plant, it only increases the yield per sq foot, which is why only greenhouse producers do it. >Compared to tomato production tilling is a low effort. So because you have a garden and you waste lots of time gardening poorly, that means it makes sense to waste even more time doing more unnecessary labor to lower your yields? Tilling is labor, saying "I do lots of even dumber things" doesn't change this. >In Europe only like 4% farmland is zero-till. So those 4% are magic and defying the laws of physics? Or those 96% are dumbasses? >Zero-till can only be used for very specific crops. Nonsense. Name a single crop that you think can not be grown no-till and I will show you someone growing it no-till.

agsdfgsd 8y ago

>Most fruit and vegetables you eat have some element of manual labour. And that is relevant how? >Try growing tomato. You try. Literally nothing you said except 45-60 days is correct. And literally none of it is relevant to the discussion. What on earth does tomatoes taking 60 days to start producing fruit have to do with no-till or weeds? Pro-tip: my garden is full of tomatoes. It is not tilled, plowed, weeded, fertilized, irrigated, or sprayed with anything. Pruning tomatoes lowers the yield per plant, it only increases the yield per sq foot, which is why only greenhouse producers do it. >Compared to tomato production tilling is a low effort. So because you have a garden and you waste lots of time gardening poorly, that means it makes sense to waste even more time doing more unnecessary labor to lower your yields? Tilling is labor, saying "I do lots of even dumber things" doesn't change this. >In Europe only like 4% farmland is zero-till. So those 4% are magic and defying the laws of physics? Or those 96% are dumbasses? >Zero-till can only be used for very specific crops. Nonsense. Name a single crop that you think can not be grown no-till and I will show you someone growing it no-till.