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The US talks about respecting human rights, but has no problem with 1 million dead Iraqi civilians. Individual Americans may respect human rights. Just like in

The US talks about respecting human rights, but has no problem with 1 million dead Iraqi civilians. Individual Americans may respect human rights. Just like individual Chinese do as well. But when you challenge them as a nation, well, then the needs of the stong outweigh the needs of the weak.

onetimemanytime 8y ago
>>The US talks about respecting human rights, but has no problem with 1 million dead Iraqi civilians. So you took a poll, "do you give a rats @ss that 1 Million Iraqis were killed by USA" and most people didn't care? Let's tone it down, USA did not go there to kill a million people, it happened because of the war, and Saddam might have killed 2 mil if he was alive for Arab Spring. Not saying that Iraq war was justified but there's a huge difference.
- flukus 8y ago
  > So you took a poll, "do you give a rats @ss that 1 Million Iraqis were killed by USA" and most people didn't care? The war had bipartisan support and the leader that started it was re-elected in the ultimate poll, so I'd say the majority are fine with it.
  - onetimemanytime 8y ago
    Not necessarily, as you know elections are about several major issues.
    - flukus 8y ago
      He got re-elected on a bigger margin, if just a few thousand people had said "this war is wrong and we shouldn't massacre Iraqis" he would have been voted out. If they had issues bigger than killing hundreds of thousands of people then... And I'm saying this as an Australian, we weren't much better.
- thenanyu 8y ago
  > So you took a poll, "do you give a rats @ss that 1 Million Iraqis were killed by USA" and most people didn't care? Yes, even with the strawman wording you put forth, I suspect that > 50% would come down on the "don't care" side. If you worded it in a way that was designed to tease out revealed preferences, like: "Have you considered the plight of Iraqis in the last year?" you would get even more dramatic results.
veridies 8y ago
> has no problem with 1 million dead Iraqi civilians And how many Kurds were killed by Saddam Hussein? How many Shias? I think the Iraq war was a terrible mistake but that doesn't mean that supporting it means you don't care about Iraqis.
- EGreg 8y ago
  Fine let’s leave Iraq to the side. We funded militants in Syria against Assad and sold weapons to Saudis against Yemen. We looked the other way as Pakistan genocidally raped Bangladesh in the war of independence. How about the United Fruit Company? School of the Americas? Wait how about this list: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in... Please go justify that and then say USA cares about sovereignty of nations!
- stanfordkid 8y ago
  We need to grow out of this culture of attributing any value to “caring”. The fact that Americans “care” that 1 million Iraqis died is not only meaningless, but also facetious. We elected a government and enabled a system that led to this. How can we judge China as worse? More importantly why do these judgements fundamentally even matter? The real question Americans should ask themselves is : what is our vision for the future? How can we regain our glory? Anything else assumes authority without investment. A strategy that is destined for failure.

onetimemanytime 8y ago

>>The US talks about respecting human rights, but has no problem with 1 million dead Iraqi civilians. So you took a poll, "do you give a rats @ss that 1 Million Iraqis were killed by USA" and most people didn't care? Let's tone it down, USA did not go there to kill a million people, it happened because of the war, and Saddam might have killed 2 mil if he was alive for Arab Spring. Not saying that Iraq war was justified but there's a huge difference.

flukus 8y ago
> So you took a poll, "do you give a rats @ss that 1 Million Iraqis were killed by USA" and most people didn't care? The war had bipartisan support and the leader that started it was re-elected in the ultimate poll, so I'd say the majority are fine with it.
- onetimemanytime 8y ago
  Not necessarily, as you know elections are about several major issues.
  - flukus 8y ago
    He got re-elected on a bigger margin, if just a few thousand people had said "this war is wrong and we shouldn't massacre Iraqis" he would have been voted out. If they had issues bigger than killing hundreds of thousands of people then... And I'm saying this as an Australian, we weren't much better.
thenanyu 8y ago
> So you took a poll, "do you give a rats @ss that 1 Million Iraqis were killed by USA" and most people didn't care? Yes, even with the strawman wording you put forth, I suspect that > 50% would come down on the "don't care" side. If you worded it in a way that was designed to tease out revealed preferences, like: "Have you considered the plight of Iraqis in the last year?" you would get even more dramatic results.

veridies 8y ago

> has no problem with 1 million dead Iraqi civilians And how many Kurds were killed by Saddam Hussein? How many Shias? I think the Iraq war was a terrible mistake but that doesn't mean that supporting it means you don't care about Iraqis.

EGreg 8y ago
Fine let’s leave Iraq to the side. We funded militants in Syria against Assad and sold weapons to Saudis against Yemen. We looked the other way as Pakistan genocidally raped Bangladesh in the war of independence. How about the United Fruit Company? School of the Americas? Wait how about this list: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in... Please go justify that and then say USA cares about sovereignty of nations!
stanfordkid 8y ago
We need to grow out of this culture of attributing any value to “caring”. The fact that Americans “care” that 1 million Iraqis died is not only meaningless, but also facetious. We elected a government and enabled a system that led to this. How can we judge China as worse? More importantly why do these judgements fundamentally even matter? The real question Americans should ask themselves is : what is our vision for the future? How can we regain our glory? Anything else assumes authority without investment. A strategy that is destined for failure.