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Another nail in the coffin of MS telemetry apologists. Really, MS is freaking evil when it comes to this stuff. Wonder which asshole greenlighted this huge tel

by blub 8y ago

Another nail in the coffin of MS telemetry apologists. Really, MS is freaking evil when it comes to this stuff. Wonder which asshole greenlighted this huge telemetry push. Must have been sanctioned from the very top.

setquk 8y ago
Names.. Satya Nadella is directly responsible here. There has been no response from him on petitions about it. Google the various sources: Ben Evans is responsible for enforcing the state of affairs on .Net core at least. https://github.com/dotnet/cli/issues/3093 https://github.com/dotnet/cli/issues/3093 Joey Ailleo, Powershell PM said this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18629942 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18629942 "I'm a huge privacy advocate, but telemetry doesn't have to be a dirty word. With PowerShell Core, we went through an RFC process to define our telemetry goals and implementation[1], we publish our data to a public dashboard[2], and all of the telemetry source code is out there in the open[3]. Our telemetry enables to help drive prioritization and decisions around platform/OS usage, and disabling it as simple as setting an environment variable[4]." That's basically MSFT policy: 1. Telemetry is good for you 2. We do X, Y, Z (but forget to mention the times they got it wrong like the environment variable didn't work on Debian packages they built for .net core). 3. Default is opt out, if you can (windows 10 pro has no opt out option). 4. Stick fingers in ears. MSFT, you can go to hell at this point. This is just disrespecting and abusing your customers. I will ALWAYS put a privacy respecting vendor at the top of the list.
- jake_the_third 8y ago
  Thank you! Although this information is out their, compiling the people involved into a list like this makes for much easier research.
miaklesp 8y ago
If you don't like, just don't use.
- scarygliders 8y ago
  Indeed! Typing this response from my Debian Testing system. I'm needing Windows less and less. Now that I can run Elite: Dangerous using WINE, I don't even need Windows around as a game OS. I can develop my applications in the Debian system and if needed I can boot a Windows 7 or 8 VM to produce a Windows distribution of said application (Python, PySide, Qt). Basically, everything I need to do I can do whilst not booted into Windows. I'll keep that Windows 10 partition handy to boot, just in case. Otherwise, I'm free from its shackles.
  - small_island 8y ago
    I agree. I'm on Linux and BSD now for good. The fact that MS bought GitHub was alarming enough. Their desire to get involved with Free/Libre/Open Source has an agenda. I don't think it's as innocent as it appears.
- makecheck 8y ago
  I think we’ve passed the point of simple choice for a lot of technologies now. If you expect people to stop using X, you need solutions to stop using ecosystems Y and Z, plus convince them to retrain and probably repurchase some apps. And I somehow doubt this is considered in monopoly situations: we’re not just talking one product.
- setquk 8y ago
  I just did this. My options were: 1. Buy a new Lenovo laptop. 2. Buy a new Apple laptop. I went for 2 and paid for Little Snitch and it is literally dead and works flawlessly. Once my family’s windows 10 laptops are off (even if they’re doing nothing but charging them with lid open), my home network is silent.
  - tor_user 8y ago
    quiet except for a few microsoft addresses when you run a spotlight command searching your own apple brand hard disk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(software)#Privacy_concerns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(software)#Privacy_c...
anvandare 8y ago
But think about all the cool contributions they're making to open source! They've really changed their ways!</sarcasm> Microsoft is indeed, Evil. Not evil as in mustache-twirling damsel-on-track-laying villain, but evil as in how cancer or ebola is evil. Those who place their trust in that (or any other) company deserve what they will (inevitably) get. It's not that have malicious intent. I don't think about the countless numbers of microbes that my body destroys everyday either. It's just, you know, Business™: Humans are resources, and resources are to be used.
- PascLeRasc 8y ago
  They're just a cursed company. Their culture is so disconnected from what users want that they're incapable of ever making a good product. Nothing will ever change within them, no matter how many times they remind us that they Love Open Source.
  - huxflux 8y ago
    Dec 3: Microsoft becomes the world's biggest company, moving ahead of Apple.
- setquk 8y ago
  The first point is a worrying one despite the sarcasm. They are attaching themselves to a lot of major open source platforms and projects. I don’t think this is the old embrace, extend, extinguish approach but something new and unknown. They’re doing too well and doing bad things too often for me to feel sorry for them.

by blub 8y ago

setquk 8y ago

Names.. Satya Nadella is directly responsible here. There has been no response from him on petitions about it. Google the various sources: Ben Evans is responsible for enforcing the state of affairs on .Net core at least. https://github.com/dotnet/cli/issues/3093 https://github.com/dotnet/cli/issues/3093 Joey Ailleo, Powershell PM said this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18629942 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18629942 "I'm a huge privacy advocate, but telemetry doesn't have to be a dirty word. With PowerShell Core, we went through an RFC process to define our telemetry goals and implementation[1], we publish our data to a public dashboard[2], and all of the telemetry source code is out there in the open[3]. Our telemetry enables to help drive prioritization and decisions around platform/OS usage, and disabling it as simple as setting an environment variable[4]." That's basically MSFT policy: 1. Telemetry is good for you 2. We do X, Y, Z (but forget to mention the times they got it wrong like the environment variable didn't work on Debian packages they built for .net core). 3. Default is opt out, if you can (windows 10 pro has no opt out option). 4. Stick fingers in ears. MSFT, you can go to hell at this point. This is just disrespecting and abusing your customers. I will ALWAYS put a privacy respecting vendor at the top of the list.

jake_the_third 8y ago
Thank you! Although this information is out their, compiling the people involved into a list like this makes for much easier research.

miaklesp 8y ago

If you don't like, just don't use.

scarygliders 8y ago
Indeed! Typing this response from my Debian Testing system. I'm needing Windows less and less. Now that I can run Elite: Dangerous using WINE, I don't even need Windows around as a game OS. I can develop my applications in the Debian system and if needed I can boot a Windows 7 or 8 VM to produce a Windows distribution of said application (Python, PySide, Qt). Basically, everything I need to do I can do whilst not booted into Windows. I'll keep that Windows 10 partition handy to boot, just in case. Otherwise, I'm free from its shackles.
- small_island 8y ago
  I agree. I'm on Linux and BSD now for good. The fact that MS bought GitHub was alarming enough. Their desire to get involved with Free/Libre/Open Source has an agenda. I don't think it's as innocent as it appears.
makecheck 8y ago
I think we’ve passed the point of simple choice for a lot of technologies now. If you expect people to stop using X, you need solutions to stop using ecosystems Y and Z, plus convince them to retrain and probably repurchase some apps. And I somehow doubt this is considered in monopoly situations: we’re not just talking one product.
setquk 8y ago
I just did this. My options were: 1. Buy a new Lenovo laptop. 2. Buy a new Apple laptop. I went for 2 and paid for Little Snitch and it is literally dead and works flawlessly. Once my family’s windows 10 laptops are off (even if they’re doing nothing but charging them with lid open), my home network is silent.
- tor_user 8y ago
  quiet except for a few microsoft addresses when you run a spotlight command searching your own apple brand hard disk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(software)#Privacy_concerns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(software)#Privacy_c...

anvandare 8y ago

But think about all the cool contributions they're making to open source! They've really changed their ways!</sarcasm> Microsoft is indeed, Evil. Not evil as in mustache-twirling damsel-on-track-laying villain, but evil as in how cancer or ebola is evil. Those who place their trust in that (or any other) company deserve what they will (inevitably) get. It's not that have malicious intent. I don't think about the countless numbers of microbes that my body destroys everyday either. It's just, you know, Business™: Humans are resources, and resources are to be used.

PascLeRasc 8y ago
They're just a cursed company. Their culture is so disconnected from what users want that they're incapable of ever making a good product. Nothing will ever change within them, no matter how many times they remind us that they Love Open Source.
- huxflux 8y ago
  Dec 3: Microsoft becomes the world's biggest company, moving ahead of Apple.
setquk 8y ago
The first point is a worrying one despite the sarcasm. They are attaching themselves to a lot of major open source platforms and projects. I don’t think this is the old embrace, extend, extinguish approach but something new and unknown. They’re doing too well and doing bad things too often for me to feel sorry for them.