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It's hard for humans to understand that people not in their tribe have rich inner lives or can be self-aware, let alone animals. We're wired to believe almost a
by hirundo 8y ago
It's hard for humans to understand that people not in their tribe have rich inner lives or can be self-aware, let alone animals. We're wired to believe almost anything if our interest depends on it. We have an interest in pillaging other tribes and eating other animals, so it's easy to convince ourselves that they are non-player characters. It makes doing those things more pleasant.
- wincy 8y agoPerhaps too off topic, but I’ve often wondered how the descendants of Vikings, once considered the most terrifying raiders of the sea, are now some of the most egalitarian and nonviolent nation states.
- hirundo 8y agoMaybe because their more aggressive ancestors went viking, conquered, and settled abroad, those remaining were more placid.
- User23 8y agoThe Russians are a good example.
- pavel_lishin 8y agoHow so?
- blawson 8y agoScandinavians (the Rus' people) are thought to have had a part in the founding of a lot of 'modern' eastern Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27_people
- dboreham 8y agoThis however doesn't explain North Dakota.
- zaq_xsw 8y agoI'm no historian, but my best guess it that it's just correlation and that the main underlying cause of "civility" is wealth. When your citizens are struggling to survive, they (at least in their own minds) don't have time to think about women's rights, racial prejudice, etc. The progressive countries of the world just happen to be a few decades ahead on the technology timeline. There are obviously other factors, but I think that's the big one.
- jacobush 8y agoWomens rights were fairly decent for the times in Viking society.
- visarga 8y agoWealth is probably the immediate cause, but in time, it seeps into the mentality of a people. The result is a society where trust in other people is low, everyone treats everyone else like they are out to cheat you, have little civic spirit and don't want to spend energy for the betterment of the whole. They would vote with whomever gives them bigger short term gains, damn with the future and consequences, other people will inherit them. It's hard to turn a mentality around, you just have to wait for older people to die and be replaced.
- KozmoNau7 8y agoI think it's because the vikings were also prolific explorers and traders, with great curiosity for the cultures they visited and traded with.
- brobdingnagians 8y agoAn interesting side note on this, the descendants of the Vikings were also the Norman's, that later invaded England, and even sailed around to Southern Italy and conquered a place down there as well (I think it was somewhere roundabout Sicily?). They developed the state of the art castle building techniques, sailing techniques, extensive trade networks, and even some interesting governing techniques (women had land-owning rights) that enabled them to conquer and hold much of Europe over time. It might be that they were "the most terrifying raiders of the sea" because they had cultural values that prized technological advancement and decently good governance, and then spread out to nicer climates (good motivation to try something new...). Interaction and adoption of values from other cultures probably helped bring down the violence after a certain point. And like someone else pointed out, when you get wealthy and own the kingdom, you typically want to develop a culture of preservation rather than raiding.
- lurquer 8y agoThe attributes you reference are a function of culture and not DNA. The Viking culture was replaced with a Christian culture.