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Thanks for this. I know nothing about NZ but you could replace just a few nouns to translate this to many other countries, sadly. Not to pick on you, but I'd l
by iguy 8y ago
Thanks for this. I know nothing about NZ but you could replace just a few nouns to translate this to many other countries, sadly.
Not to pick on you, but I'd like to add that I think it's helpful to disentangle three things which often get rolled up together:
1. "commit over 50% of the nation's violent crimes" is a fact, today. The criminal justice system has to respond to each individual crime, for the usual mix of retribution / discouragement / removal. Every one of these violent crimes has a victim, on whose behalf we act. And very often the victims are similarly skewed towards some group -- such victims are no less deserving of our protection.
2. "is occurring because of" is a theory about past causes, which historians can argue about. There are many theories. But we don't need to wait for them to reach a consensus. It makes no difference to an individual's guilt or innocence of some crime.
3. "be addressed ... Starting with improved early childhood ..." is a theory about the future effects of policies we might adopt. This is also independent of the other things: a policy that improves outcomes for children of a crime-prone demographic isn't going to depend on whether #2 decides the group is of the oppressed-by-colonisers variety or the unassimilated-post-asylum variety. But whether it works or not is an empirical question, not a moral one.
- ljf 8y agoRemember - being 50% of a prison population does not mean that they commit 50% of the crimes. They may do - they also may commit more or less. But all you can deduce from the prison population, is the number of people tried and convicted.
- iguy 8y agoOf course, but it's a start. They aren't exactly running gulags. 10% committing 50% of crimes is a factor of 10 over-achievement, there's no reasonable argument that the odd wacko prosecutor tips the scales this much. Counting the victims is another crude proxy, the coroner really does see every murder victim. And IIRC this shows roughly the same disparities in major demographics, in most countries.
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