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Interesting that they are private events in the US. It is not so everywhere so it is good thay they mentioned it. In Finland they are considered public events.

Interesting that they are private events in the US. It is not so everywhere so it is good thay they mentioned it. In Finland they are considered public events. The definition is that if you do not need an invitation it is a public event, even if you pay for access.

xxs 8y ago
I had exactly the same thought - if you can just buy a ticket publicly and need no explicit authentication, it's not a private event. I guess it's similar thought the EU. The surveillance would violate GDPR as it requires an affirmative action/consent.
- toxik 8y ago
  It would violate more than just the GDPR. Europe has tried mass surveillance, we know first-hand what kind of sickness it leads to.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    Yep, some of us are still able to remember how it feels like or know people that experimented it in first hand.
gammateam 8y ago
Yes but the tickets also couple as countracts usually written on the back and in the purchasing process, which can override default legal treatment, in many places Youll have to check the user experience and supporting local legal precedent
- sharpneli 8y ago
  Yeah sure. I'm not sure what the privacy law here allows. But I would guess taking photos of faces is allowed to be contracted. The public event mostly means here that you cannot have alcohol consumption inside except in the super regulated way like in normal restaurants. And regulations that you need X guards per Y visitors and whatnot stuff. In a true private event you can do whatever. Those are the same as you'd just sit home with your friends.
  - EGreg 8y ago
    I think you are allowed to take photos in public as well. Even surreptitiously, in most jurisdictions. Though like anything else, I am not sure how systematic that can be.
- gdfasfklshg4 8y ago
  Contracts can only stipulate things that are legal. If a term is illegal it is considered void. Courts tend to look unfavourably at unfair terms in one-way contracts which the other party had no opportunity to negotiate. I think that it is unlikely that a contract on the back of a ticket can override default legal treatment. I would definitely hire an appropriate lawyer if I wanted to understand the legality of something like this in a given jurisdiction!
  - gammateam 8y ago
    > Contracts can only stipulate things that are legal Such as overriding default treatment > Courts tend to look unfavouravly at.. Common practices can successfully shield liability and go unchallenged for a hundred years. A lot of incorporation strategy and contract law is based around deterrents and cost prohibitiveness of testing them, with a bit of thought into how actual litigation would wind up.
    - gdfasfklshg4 8y ago
      Good points. I would also assume that a major artist and the venues they perform at would have hired some serious lawyers and have a fairly strong idea that what they are doing is legally sound. Really the only thing to do if you are curious is to find a good lawyer and get some real advice.

xxs 8y ago

I had exactly the same thought - if you can just buy a ticket publicly and need no explicit authentication, it's not a private event. I guess it's similar thought the EU. The surveillance would violate GDPR as it requires an affirmative action/consent.

toxik 8y ago
It would violate more than just the GDPR. Europe has tried mass surveillance, we know first-hand what kind of sickness it leads to.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  Yep, some of us are still able to remember how it feels like or know people that experimented it in first hand.

gammateam 8y ago

Yes but the tickets also couple as countracts usually written on the back and in the purchasing process, which can override default legal treatment, in many places Youll have to check the user experience and supporting local legal precedent

sharpneli 8y ago
Yeah sure. I'm not sure what the privacy law here allows. But I would guess taking photos of faces is allowed to be contracted. The public event mostly means here that you cannot have alcohol consumption inside except in the super regulated way like in normal restaurants. And regulations that you need X guards per Y visitors and whatnot stuff. In a true private event you can do whatever. Those are the same as you'd just sit home with your friends.
- EGreg 8y ago
  I think you are allowed to take photos in public as well. Even surreptitiously, in most jurisdictions. Though like anything else, I am not sure how systematic that can be.
gdfasfklshg4 8y ago
Contracts can only stipulate things that are legal. If a term is illegal it is considered void. Courts tend to look unfavourably at unfair terms in one-way contracts which the other party had no opportunity to negotiate. I think that it is unlikely that a contract on the back of a ticket can override default legal treatment. I would definitely hire an appropriate lawyer if I wanted to understand the legality of something like this in a given jurisdiction!
- gammateam 8y ago
  > Contracts can only stipulate things that are legal Such as overriding default treatment > Courts tend to look unfavouravly at.. Common practices can successfully shield liability and go unchallenged for a hundred years. A lot of incorporation strategy and contract law is based around deterrents and cost prohibitiveness of testing them, with a bit of thought into how actual litigation would wind up.
  - gdfasfklshg4 8y ago
    Good points. I would also assume that a major artist and the venues they perform at would have hired some serious lawyers and have a fairly strong idea that what they are doing is legally sound. Really the only thing to do if you are curious is to find a good lawyer and get some real advice.