Just to be clear, I was rather agreeing with "Forcing someone to do a job is slavery." And just pointing out that states do that a lot. But they couch it in lan

Just to be clear, I was rather agreeing with "Forcing someone to do a job is slavery." And just pointing out that states do that a lot. But they couch it in language about "duty" and so on. I mean, many millions of soldiers died in WWI and WWII. Many were volunteers, sure. But many were conscripts. And of course, having your country conquered may also not be such a great thing, unless your government are jerks. Anyway, I distrust all governments above the village level. I do see the argument for ~state level government. Basically, to deal with groups of jerks. National defense is arguably the only justification for national government. And that's just because there are other national governments, controlled by jerks. So it's sort of like a multi-player protection racket.