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This to me seems like a good thing for Vietnam. There will be alot of people now who having lived in America will be able to bring their skills and expertise ba

This to me seems like a good thing for Vietnam. There will be alot of people now who having lived in America will be able to bring their skills and expertise back to Vietnam. I'm sure there are plenty of hospitals and doctors offices that could really use some extra professionals.

dbt00 8y ago
The war ended in 1974. That was 44 years ago. You're either talking about people who are of retirement age, or have no adult ties to the country. This is callous and gross. It's going to ruin lives. People are going to commit suicide rather than leave.
- shard972 8y ago
  Well retirement age should be even better, they can bring their capital with them, that should give Vietnam a good boost to their GDP. Well automation will lead to some suicides no? It already has lead to many farmers (Some I knew personally) taking their own lives but it's ok because it leads to economic growth which benefits us all. I don't think just because someone will commit suicide, doesn't mean the whole thing is bad and gross.
  - happytoexplain 8y ago
    I don't think the parent comment was implying that any policy or action (no matter how broad) that causes (no matter how indirectly) people to commit suicide (no matter how few) is in-arguably bad and gross. I think the parent was pointing that out as one relevant point among multiple. The overall picture, taken rationally and as a whole, to me personally seems like one where the cons outweigh the pros, as opposed to the entire generic concept of the history of automation, which contains many individual cases where things may have been handled well or poorly, and is therefore too broad to compare to a single act of policy like this. To me, this looks like something that could have had some reasonable incarnation, but as it stands, it appears to be an unthoughtful, unnecessary act driven by hatred.
dopamean 8y ago
The war ended in 1975, 43 years ago. So if you fled the war then and were an adult you're quite old now. If you're still of working age (like the people you reference here) that means you were likely a child when you left the country. I'm not sure that being forced to go back to a place you have been to in over four decades is a great deal for you. This move by the White House makes no sense and seems like it's intended to stick it to immigrants for no reason at all.
- Gibbon1 8y ago
  > This move by the White House makes no sense and seems like it's intended to stick it to immigrants for no reason at all. The white house is moving to disenfranchise people. Starting with the most powerless groups, children and refugees, and then moving upwards.
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- ulkhf 8y ago
  stick it to criminal "immigrants" because they are criminals and we don't want them. As they are the subject of a deportation order, it's a stretch to call them immigrants.

dbt00 8y ago

The war ended in 1974. That was 44 years ago. You're either talking about people who are of retirement age, or have no adult ties to the country. This is callous and gross. It's going to ruin lives. People are going to commit suicide rather than leave.

shard972 8y ago
Well retirement age should be even better, they can bring their capital with them, that should give Vietnam a good boost to their GDP. Well automation will lead to some suicides no? It already has lead to many farmers (Some I knew personally) taking their own lives but it's ok because it leads to economic growth which benefits us all. I don't think just because someone will commit suicide, doesn't mean the whole thing is bad and gross.
- happytoexplain 8y ago
  I don't think the parent comment was implying that any policy or action (no matter how broad) that causes (no matter how indirectly) people to commit suicide (no matter how few) is in-arguably bad and gross. I think the parent was pointing that out as one relevant point among multiple. The overall picture, taken rationally and as a whole, to me personally seems like one where the cons outweigh the pros, as opposed to the entire generic concept of the history of automation, which contains many individual cases where things may have been handled well or poorly, and is therefore too broad to compare to a single act of policy like this. To me, this looks like something that could have had some reasonable incarnation, but as it stands, it appears to be an unthoughtful, unnecessary act driven by hatred.

dopamean 8y ago

The war ended in 1975, 43 years ago. So if you fled the war then and were an adult you're quite old now. If you're still of working age (like the people you reference here) that means you were likely a child when you left the country. I'm not sure that being forced to go back to a place you have been to in over four decades is a great deal for you. This move by the White House makes no sense and seems like it's intended to stick it to immigrants for no reason at all.

Gibbon1 8y ago
> This move by the White House makes no sense and seems like it's intended to stick it to immigrants for no reason at all. The white house is moving to disenfranchise people. Starting with the most powerless groups, children and refugees, and then moving upwards.
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ulkhf 8y ago
stick it to criminal "immigrants" because they are criminals and we don't want them. As they are the subject of a deportation order, it's a stretch to call them immigrants.