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Completely disgusted by a lot of these comments. It is outrageous. It is unfair. People citing the "tax law" excuse are either willfully ignorant or they just

Completely disgusted by a lot of these comments. It is outrageous. It is unfair. People citing the "tax law" excuse are either willfully ignorant or they just do not care. Why does Google not give them gifts, invite them to the company Christmas party, or let them in on celebratory team meetings? It is not because "the temp agency will handle it". It is not because "a shirt makes taxes complicated." Google and it's ilk make sure these people are on the outside to dehumanize them. To make it clear they are not a part of the company so, when TVCs are abused other workers do not speak up. It normalizes treating these people like shit. "Just a contractor." A lot of these TVCs do not get decent healthcare. They can, and often do, get 0 vacation time. They sit along with the full time employees but everybody knows "they are the expendable ones." They can be fired for any reason, including bringing up the fact that they were sexually harassed. TVCs are employees deprived of their rights through a loophole.

TheMagicHorsey 8y ago
You have no idea what you are talking about and clearly have never headed a company. The issue is that if you hire temporary contractors and treat them like your employees, then you have to extend the status of employment to them, including withholding payroll taxes, otherwise the government will come after you. Google doesn't give two shits about giving people t-shirts and access to their gyms. The issue is, if they do these things for temp contractors, then the temps become employees. You hire temps in situations where you don't actually need a full-time worker for a long period of time. If you are not allowed to hire temps, the choice then becomes should we hire anyone at all? When Google does need a full-time worker, they do hire them, and they do pay them as full employees. If you have a problem with the casteism developing between full time employees and contractors, go see your Congressman and ask them to change the laws that make it so companies have to distinguish between temps and full-time in their hiring.
- honkycat 8y ago
  > You have no idea what you are talking about and clearly have never headed a company. I actually have but whatever. I do not have to run a company to have opinions about a loophole in modern labor laws. Also, the aggression isn't necessary. Maybe having empathy and wanting better benefits for the people you take advantage of is an "Unknown World" to you. But for me, the rise permatemp has an effect on the people around me. > The issue is that if you hire temporary contractors and treat them like your employees, then you have to extend the status of employment to them, including withholding payroll taxes, otherwise the government will come after you. > Google doesn't give two shits about giving people t-shirts and access to their gyms. The issue is, if they do these things for temp contractors, then the temps become employees. A lot of these workers are permatemps, who they keep on as temps in order to not have to give them full employee benefits. So yes, what you say is exactly correct but does not refute my assertion that these policies serve to dehumanize the parts of the workforce Google considers expendable. > You hire temps in situations where you don't actually need a full-time worker for a long period of time. If you are not allowed to hire temps, the choice then becomes should we hire anyone at all? Except for the fact that they do hire them as long-term full time employees, but they keep them on as independent contractors hired through an external agency to abdicate responsibility for providing them with benefits. > If you have a problem with the casteism developing between full time employees and contractors, go see your Congressman and ask them to change the laws that make it so companies have to distinguish between temps and full-time in their hiring. I clearly do have a problem with the casteism developing between full time employees and contractors. And what else should I do? Oh, maybe advocate for workers right's on social media and tell the other side of the story. Which is what I am doing and apparently have triggered you. The founder doth protest too much, methinks.

TheMagicHorsey 8y ago

You have no idea what you are talking about and clearly have never headed a company. The issue is that if you hire temporary contractors and treat them like your employees, then you have to extend the status of employment to them, including withholding payroll taxes, otherwise the government will come after you. Google doesn't give two shits about giving people t-shirts and access to their gyms. The issue is, if they do these things for temp contractors, then the temps become employees. You hire temps in situations where you don't actually need a full-time worker for a long period of time. If you are not allowed to hire temps, the choice then becomes should we hire anyone at all? When Google does need a full-time worker, they do hire them, and they do pay them as full employees. If you have a problem with the casteism developing between full time employees and contractors, go see your Congressman and ask them to change the laws that make it so companies have to distinguish between temps and full-time in their hiring.

honkycat 8y ago
> You have no idea what you are talking about and clearly have never headed a company. I actually have but whatever. I do not have to run a company to have opinions about a loophole in modern labor laws. Also, the aggression isn't necessary. Maybe having empathy and wanting better benefits for the people you take advantage of is an "Unknown World" to you. But for me, the rise permatemp has an effect on the people around me. > The issue is that if you hire temporary contractors and treat them like your employees, then you have to extend the status of employment to them, including withholding payroll taxes, otherwise the government will come after you. > Google doesn't give two shits about giving people t-shirts and access to their gyms. The issue is, if they do these things for temp contractors, then the temps become employees. A lot of these workers are permatemps, who they keep on as temps in order to not have to give them full employee benefits. So yes, what you say is exactly correct but does not refute my assertion that these policies serve to dehumanize the parts of the workforce Google considers expendable. > You hire temps in situations where you don't actually need a full-time worker for a long period of time. If you are not allowed to hire temps, the choice then becomes should we hire anyone at all? Except for the fact that they do hire them as long-term full time employees, but they keep them on as independent contractors hired through an external agency to abdicate responsibility for providing them with benefits. > If you have a problem with the casteism developing between full time employees and contractors, go see your Congressman and ask them to change the laws that make it so companies have to distinguish between temps and full-time in their hiring. I clearly do have a problem with the casteism developing between full time employees and contractors. And what else should I do? Oh, maybe advocate for workers right's on social media and tell the other side of the story. Which is what I am doing and apparently have triggered you. The founder doth protest too much, methinks.