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It would be great if it was possible to buy MacBooks with FreeBSD instead of OSX, which is lately bigger and slower compared to FreeBSD.l, especially due to the

It would be great if it was possible to buy MacBooks with FreeBSD instead of OSX, which is lately bigger and slower compared to FreeBSD.l, especially due to the useless graphic effects and the bloatware installed (iTunes as example)

craigsmansion 8y ago
How dare you suggest the use of a PeasantOS to a clientele so refined as Apple's?! Back to your basements, you lutes, and keep hoping you produce something good enough to be included in glorious OSX, that they might take it and in return give you nothing except for the knowledge that you, a mere programmer, have managed to contribute to mighty Apple's bottom-line. But yeah, that it would be pretty sweet, even though it will never happen. For Apple software is about taking control, not giving it.
faissaloo 8y ago
FreeBSD however, is largely useless and inaccessible to the average consumer. Even Linux is more user friendly.
- kingofhdds 8y ago
  For an "average user" Linux, and FreeBSD are absolutely identical. If it's supplied with pre-installed GUI (say Ubuntu as Linux, and TrueOS on BSD side) it's more or less the same point-and-click experience. If it's bare console - well, it would be the same OMG-what's-that experience. Differences will start to appear for a user who wants to dive deeper, but that would make him/her non-average apparently.
- torstenvl 8y ago
  If you're using a GUI, they're largely the same, with a slight edge to one or the other depending on your use case. For example, X on TrueOS plays more nicely out of the box with VirtualBox than almost any Linux distro I've tried. If you're using the command line, FreeBSD has far better and far more consistent documentation.
simonh 8y ago
I don't think iTunes comes pre-installed these days. It gets updated so frequently they decided to just prompt the user to do an install on first boot. Certainly if you do a fresh install of Mojave over the wire, as I did, it's pretty clean. No iTunes, Photos, iMovie, Pages or any of their pro-sumer stuff by default.
- richrichardsson 8y ago
  Good ninja edit, was about to tell you that you're wrong! iTunes most certainly does come pre-installed on 10.12, can't say about 10.14
  - simonh 8y ago
    I realized I was being a bit cavalier and did a bit of checking. Been a while since I bought a fresh Mac, but last time I must have done a fresh install off the wire straight away and forgotten about it. My bad.
    - Wowfunhappy 8y ago
      I'm pretty sure iTunes still comes preinstalled in Mojave. Not to mention Chess, DVD Player, Home, News, Stocks, Books, and a fair amount of other crap. I have a post-install script I always run that does sudo rm -rf on all the apps I don't like. Has no ill effects in all the years I have been using it, and makes my system feel clean.
  - virgilp 8y ago
    I have it, and didn't intentionally install it. Maybe got installed after logged in with my AppleId? I'm not sure how it got there, but it did.
LASR 8y ago
To cover what? The 0.0000001% of the market that really wants a Mac with FreeBSD?

craigsmansion 8y ago

How dare you suggest the use of a PeasantOS to a clientele so refined as Apple's?! Back to your basements, you lutes, and keep hoping you produce something good enough to be included in glorious OSX, that they might take it and in return give you nothing except for the knowledge that you, a mere programmer, have managed to contribute to mighty Apple's bottom-line. But yeah, that it would be pretty sweet, even though it will never happen. For Apple software is about taking control, not giving it.

faissaloo 8y ago

FreeBSD however, is largely useless and inaccessible to the average consumer. Even Linux is more user friendly.

kingofhdds 8y ago
For an "average user" Linux, and FreeBSD are absolutely identical. If it's supplied with pre-installed GUI (say Ubuntu as Linux, and TrueOS on BSD side) it's more or less the same point-and-click experience. If it's bare console - well, it would be the same OMG-what's-that experience. Differences will start to appear for a user who wants to dive deeper, but that would make him/her non-average apparently.
torstenvl 8y ago
If you're using a GUI, they're largely the same, with a slight edge to one or the other depending on your use case. For example, X on TrueOS plays more nicely out of the box with VirtualBox than almost any Linux distro I've tried. If you're using the command line, FreeBSD has far better and far more consistent documentation.

simonh 8y ago

I don't think iTunes comes pre-installed these days. It gets updated so frequently they decided to just prompt the user to do an install on first boot. Certainly if you do a fresh install of Mojave over the wire, as I did, it's pretty clean. No iTunes, Photos, iMovie, Pages or any of their pro-sumer stuff by default.

richrichardsson 8y ago
Good ninja edit, was about to tell you that you're wrong! iTunes most certainly does come pre-installed on 10.12, can't say about 10.14
- simonh 8y ago
  I realized I was being a bit cavalier and did a bit of checking. Been a while since I bought a fresh Mac, but last time I must have done a fresh install off the wire straight away and forgotten about it. My bad.
  - Wowfunhappy 8y ago
    I'm pretty sure iTunes still comes preinstalled in Mojave. Not to mention Chess, DVD Player, Home, News, Stocks, Books, and a fair amount of other crap. I have a post-install script I always run that does sudo rm -rf on all the apps I don't like. Has no ill effects in all the years I have been using it, and makes my system feel clean.
- virgilp 8y ago
  I have it, and didn't intentionally install it. Maybe got installed after logged in with my AppleId? I'm not sure how it got there, but it did.

LASR 8y ago

To cover what? The 0.0000001% of the market that really wants a Mac with FreeBSD?