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> Would an Australian employee of 1Password be forced to lie to us Any employee could be forced to lie to you. Section 317C of the Act outlines what sorts of

> Would an Australian employee of 1Password be forced to lie to us Any employee could be forced to lie to you. Section 317C of the Act outlines what sorts of products and services come under its jurisdiction. The primary test is whether you have one or more Australian users. You do not need to be an Australian resident or company to be affected by this law. If you have Australian users, you are subject to the Act. https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;db=LEGISLATION;id=legislation%2Fbills%2Fr6195_aspassed%2F0001;query=Id%3A%22legislation%2Fbills%2Fr6195_aspassed%2F0000%22 https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display....

cesarb 8y ago
> Any employee could be forced to lie to you. [...] If you have Australian users, you are subject to the Act. Suppose I am a Brazilian working in Brazil for a Brazilian company with Australian users. What authority would this Act have to prevent me from immediately showing the demand to my boss, the company's legal counsel, my coworkers, or even publishing it on the Internet? Sure, they could forbid me from ever visiting Australia, and perhaps demand my extradition if I ever visit a few other countries, but I don't see what they could do to me in my country. In fact, I could even argue that obeying their demand would be illegal under my country's laws.
- lachdoug 8y ago
  You are correct. The practical reality is that the Australian government doesn't have much authority in Brazil. It's more of an issue for people from the other 5 eyes countries. If you are a UK citizen working in the UK, and a UK agency wants access to encrypted data, successful extradition would be more likely. The 5 eyes governments won't rush into this. They will be tactical in establishing a legal precedent. The game plan is to wait for a case where there would be little public sympathy for a developer, perhaps where the developer has committed other crimes too. They will seek extradition then. Once they have done it once, it will be much easier for them to do it again.

cesarb 8y ago

> Any employee could be forced to lie to you. [...] If you have Australian users, you are subject to the Act. Suppose I am a Brazilian working in Brazil for a Brazilian company with Australian users. What authority would this Act have to prevent me from immediately showing the demand to my boss, the company's legal counsel, my coworkers, or even publishing it on the Internet? Sure, they could forbid me from ever visiting Australia, and perhaps demand my extradition if I ever visit a few other countries, but I don't see what they could do to me in my country. In fact, I could even argue that obeying their demand would be illegal under my country's laws.

lachdoug 8y ago
You are correct. The practical reality is that the Australian government doesn't have much authority in Brazil. It's more of an issue for people from the other 5 eyes countries. If you are a UK citizen working in the UK, and a UK agency wants access to encrypted data, successful extradition would be more likely. The 5 eyes governments won't rush into this. They will be tactical in establishing a legal precedent. The game plan is to wait for a case where there would be little public sympathy for a developer, perhaps where the developer has committed other crimes too. They will seek extradition then. Once they have done it once, it will be much easier for them to do it again.