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An other very lightweight weight engine in c is dillo. Unfortunately now its development has stopped.

by algorithm314 8y ago

newqer 8y ago
My dirty mind read that wrong.
- faissaloo 8y ago
  Lol same
userbinator 8y ago
There's also NetSurf. As much as saying this is probably going to get me a lot of hate from web developers, the world needs more browser engines. Simpler ones, maybe HTML+CSS only with no scripting. The idea of the Web as a flexible hyperlinked document system and not an application platform needs to gain more support. IMHO if your site is information-centric, and it's not readable in these "document-only" browsers, you're doing it wrong.
- widforss 8y ago
  I started a weblog a couple of days ago, and the joy of publishing generated markdown documents on a fileserver is as big as any of my JavaScript ventures.
- vedantroy 8y ago
  I don't understand this hatred of Javascript. The only websites I've felt were actually bloated are news sites with a lot of ads, but that's not a problem with Javascript as much as it is a problem with excessive ads. What counts as information-centric? A lot of basic things (commenting, searching, liking a post) require Javascript. If you want to use pretty animations, there's a high probability you need Javascript. Making information-centric sites only use HTML/CSS would significantly decrease the capabsilities and attractiveness of the sites.
  - naasking 8y ago
    > The only websites I've felt were actually bloated are news sites with a lot of ads, but that's not a problem with Javascript as much as it is a problem with excessive ads. The problem is JS has too much power in the browser, and too little consideration for security. It can effectively take control away from the user, there's virtually no way to know what it's doing without source code audits, which are prohibitive, and the security vulnerabilities are legion. > What counts as information-centric? A lot of basic things (commenting, searching, liking a post) require Javascript. None of these actually require JS.
    - lmcarreiro 8y ago
      > > What counts as information-centric? A lot of basic things (commenting, searching, liking a post) require Javascript. > None of these actually require JS. Can you imagine a facebook doing a page reload/refresh every time you click to like a post? Or without loading more content on demand every time you scroll the page?
      - Pete_D 8y ago
        Yes. Forums worked this way for years. It was fine.
      - naasking 8y ago
        > Can you imagine a facebook doing a page reload/refresh every time you click to like a post? You're stuck thinking about Facebook as if it still had long lists of posts with infinite scroll. The UX would be completely different when the design constraints are different. For instance, instead of infinite scrolling, you might show one post at a time with clickable previews of the last and next posts. A like doing a full postback isn't a big deal with this approach, particularly with judicious use of anchors. Certainly not as slick, but perfectly usable.
        simplify 8y ago
        Usable, with a worse user experience, to what end? It would be nice to have more non-js built-in browser behavior, though.
skykooler 8y ago
Interesting. I've used Dillo before on my N900, but I didn't know it had its own engine; I always assumed it was Yet Another Webkit.
- raphlinus 8y ago
  Heh no. Its origins go way back before webkit started: https://www.levien.com/gzilla/ https://www.levien.com/gzilla/ Probably very little of that original code in the current version though.

An other very lightweight weight engine in c is dillo. Unfortunately now its development has stopped.

newqer 8y ago

My dirty mind read that wrong.

faissaloo 8y ago
Lol same

userbinator 8y ago

There's also NetSurf. As much as saying this is probably going to get me a lot of hate from web developers, the world needs more browser engines. Simpler ones, maybe HTML+CSS only with no scripting. The idea of the Web as a flexible hyperlinked document system and not an application platform needs to gain more support. IMHO if your site is information-centric, and it's not readable in these "document-only" browsers, you're doing it wrong.

widforss 8y ago
I started a weblog a couple of days ago, and the joy of publishing generated markdown documents on a fileserver is as big as any of my JavaScript ventures.
vedantroy 8y ago
I don't understand this hatred of Javascript. The only websites I've felt were actually bloated are news sites with a lot of ads, but that's not a problem with Javascript as much as it is a problem with excessive ads. What counts as information-centric? A lot of basic things (commenting, searching, liking a post) require Javascript. If you want to use pretty animations, there's a high probability you need Javascript. Making information-centric sites only use HTML/CSS would significantly decrease the capabsilities and attractiveness of the sites.
- naasking 8y ago
  > The only websites I've felt were actually bloated are news sites with a lot of ads, but that's not a problem with Javascript as much as it is a problem with excessive ads. The problem is JS has too much power in the browser, and too little consideration for security. It can effectively take control away from the user, there's virtually no way to know what it's doing without source code audits, which are prohibitive, and the security vulnerabilities are legion. > What counts as information-centric? A lot of basic things (commenting, searching, liking a post) require Javascript. None of these actually require JS.
  - lmcarreiro 8y ago
    > > What counts as information-centric? A lot of basic things (commenting, searching, liking a post) require Javascript. > None of these actually require JS. Can you imagine a facebook doing a page reload/refresh every time you click to like a post? Or without loading more content on demand every time you scroll the page?
    - Pete_D 8y ago
      Yes. Forums worked this way for years. It was fine.
    - naasking 8y ago
      > Can you imagine a facebook doing a page reload/refresh every time you click to like a post? You're stuck thinking about Facebook as if it still had long lists of posts with infinite scroll. The UX would be completely different when the design constraints are different. For instance, instead of infinite scrolling, you might show one post at a time with clickable previews of the last and next posts. A like doing a full postback isn't a big deal with this approach, particularly with judicious use of anchors. Certainly not as slick, but perfectly usable.
      - simplify 8y ago
        Usable, with a worse user experience, to what end? It would be nice to have more non-js built-in browser behavior, though.

skykooler 8y ago

Interesting. I've used Dillo before on my N900, but I didn't know it had its own engine; I always assumed it was Yet Another Webkit.

raphlinus 8y ago
Heh no. Its origins go way back before webkit started: https://www.levien.com/gzilla/ https://www.levien.com/gzilla/ Probably very little of that original code in the current version though.