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>So "99.99% of Aussies" don't care that their software industry (or at least, security-related stuff) gets destroyed Yes, I'm sorry, but in AU "Information Med

by ux-app 8y ago

>So "99.99% of Aussies" don't care that their software industry (or at least, security-related stuff) gets destroyed Yes, I'm sorry, but in AU "Information Media and Telecommunications" sector employment made up 1.7% of all employed people [1]. Most Aussies don't care about your nerdy tech job :( and FWIW that makes me really sad. [1] https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1718/Quick_Guides/EmployIndustry https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Depart...

flukus 8y ago
That goes both ways, you think they're going to care about scomo pushing for this legislation they don't understand? He'd have more success continuing the great onion debate.
mirimir 8y ago
Huh. I had no clue. But on the other hand, there's this: http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/48791677FF5B2814CA256A1D0001FECD?Opendocument http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/48791677FF5B2814CA... Having a little time, I massaged that. See: https://keybase.pub/mirimir/AU-industries.pdf https://keybase.pub/mirimir/AU-industries.pdf So maybe more like 10% could be affected?
- ux-app 8y ago
  >So maybe more like 10% could be affected? Sorry I didn't have a chance to dig into your data, but even if it were 10%, that leaves 90% who are uninformed/disinterested and are easily swayed by the rhetoric: "If you've got nothing to hide then you are fine", "Do you want to protect ISIS from ASIO eyes?" etc... The for case is so easily won in the public sphere that it's laughable. I wish it were otherwise, but most people cannot understand where we come from because they lack the background knowledge. We're not special in that regard. As tech people we oppose this bill. How many other crappy bills pass without any protest from us nerds, just because we don't understand the particulars of climate/jobs/pollution/forestry/land management/policing/urban development etc.etc.etc.?
  - mirimir 8y ago
    The moral, privacy and national-security implications of this law are distinct from the potential economic implications. Related, but distinct.

by ux-app 8y ago

flukus 8y ago

That goes both ways, you think they're going to care about scomo pushing for this legislation they don't understand? He'd have more success continuing the great onion debate.

mirimir 8y ago

Huh. I had no clue. But on the other hand, there's this: http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/48791677FF5B2814CA256A1D0001FECD?Opendocument http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/48791677FF5B2814CA... Having a little time, I massaged that. See: https://keybase.pub/mirimir/AU-industries.pdf https://keybase.pub/mirimir/AU-industries.pdf So maybe more like 10% could be affected?

ux-app 8y ago
>So maybe more like 10% could be affected? Sorry I didn't have a chance to dig into your data, but even if it were 10%, that leaves 90% who are uninformed/disinterested and are easily swayed by the rhetoric: "If you've got nothing to hide then you are fine", "Do you want to protect ISIS from ASIO eyes?" etc... The for case is so easily won in the public sphere that it's laughable. I wish it were otherwise, but most people cannot understand where we come from because they lack the background knowledge. We're not special in that regard. As tech people we oppose this bill. How many other crappy bills pass without any protest from us nerds, just because we don't understand the particulars of climate/jobs/pollution/forestry/land management/policing/urban development etc.etc.etc.?
- mirimir 8y ago
  The moral, privacy and national-security implications of this law are distinct from the potential economic implications. Related, but distinct.