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This site has a great animation of the crash, including the leaked radio communications: https://www.vg.no/spesial/2018/helge-ingstad-ulykken/ https://www.vg.n

This site has a great animation of the crash, including the leaked radio communications: https://www.vg.no/spesial/2018/helge-ingstad-ulykken/ https://www.vg.no/spesial/2018/helge-ingstad-ulykken/ Click "Helge Ingstad natt" to see the POV from the frigate. "Styrbord" means starboard/right, that's basically all the Norwegian you need to know.

jorblumesea 8y ago
This is really cool, thanks for sharing.
remarkEon 8y ago
Really cool, thanks. I’m actualy pretty surprised how much of the Norwegian language I could imply into English there. It wasn’t that hard to follow along on that map. Context matters a lot, I guess.
- einaros 8y ago
  I’ve been meaning to translate the WebGL version embedded there, but never got that far. The downloadable versions (linked under the video) for Windows and Mac both have subtitles of the audio log, as well as the UI. And both have more correct lighting than the video clip that’s embedded on the page.
- jacobush 8y ago
  Norwegian is mostly intelligible with Swedish, but the words that differ from Swedish are very often exactly the same word in English. The Danes live on - in England.
  - pessimizer 8y ago
    Or rather the Angles live on, in Angland and in Denmark.
    - jacobush 8y ago
      First time I hear about that theory, any sources?
- elcapitan 8y ago
  Many of the words are probably old German in origin, the modern German word "Steuerbord" means the same, "steuern" = to steer (see "styrboard", could also have become "steerboard" in English, instead of starboard). The nautic right side was called that way because on those old viking boats, the rudder was a big paddle on the right side.
  - jacobush 8y ago
    old Germanic if I may :)
    - elcapitan 8y ago
      That's actually not correct - Germanic is the name for the group, while actual languages are German. Old High German, Middle High German, etc.
      - depressedpanda 8y ago
        Well you argued (without providing any references) that Norwegian "styrbord" was probably from Old German. Given your example of Viking longboats I find it far more likely that the word is from Old Norse. Hence Germanic is correct, but German highly unlikely. Given the history of the British isles, I would also venture that English is more influenced by Old Norse than Old German.
        elcapitan 8y ago
        My correction was merely about the usage of "Germanic" vs specific languages with regard to "old" ;) In general classifying it as "Germanic" is correct, yes. My original distinction was more intended to be about the difference between originally Germanic words vs Scandinavian-only ones. It's probably hard to tell in which of the languages (Norse, German, English) it originated, because there are little sources in that time (talking mid-first millennium here). From what I know German is a little older than Old Norse (700 vs 900). Regarding "viking boats", I used that as an example for a type of boat, I'm pretty sure it was a common way of building boats at the time - the Romans used similar rudders. The concept would have been known to all people building ships.
dmix 8y ago
Interesting, I love modern journalism. Why doesn't the tanker have better lighting at the back of the ship? It seems to only be easily visible on the front-side from far away. Although I'm not trained to be able to spot a dark ship against the horizon it looked pretty challenging using the night view.
- rue 8y ago
  Ship lighting is standardised and very specific (you can always tell which way a ship is facing by the lights for example). I’m not an expert in visual science, but I suspect it is easier to tell _multiple_ ships apart when they have fewer lights. ETA: https://www.marineinsight.com/marine-navigation/understanding-the-importance-of-marine-navigation-lighting/ https://www.marineinsight.com/marine-navigation/understandin...
nicwolff 8y ago
Interesting – the animation doesn't show red/green lights on the Sola's bow, only way back on the wings – I'm a sailor and I find it very hard to guess where the Sola's prow is as she gets closer in the "Helge Ingstad natt" view.

jorblumesea 8y ago

This is really cool, thanks for sharing.

remarkEon 8y ago

Really cool, thanks. I’m actualy pretty surprised how much of the Norwegian language I could imply into English there. It wasn’t that hard to follow along on that map. Context matters a lot, I guess.

einaros 8y ago
I’ve been meaning to translate the WebGL version embedded there, but never got that far. The downloadable versions (linked under the video) for Windows and Mac both have subtitles of the audio log, as well as the UI. And both have more correct lighting than the video clip that’s embedded on the page.
jacobush 8y ago
Norwegian is mostly intelligible with Swedish, but the words that differ from Swedish are very often exactly the same word in English. The Danes live on - in England.
- pessimizer 8y ago
  Or rather the Angles live on, in Angland and in Denmark.
  - jacobush 8y ago
    First time I hear about that theory, any sources?
elcapitan 8y ago
Many of the words are probably old German in origin, the modern German word "Steuerbord" means the same, "steuern" = to steer (see "styrboard", could also have become "steerboard" in English, instead of starboard). The nautic right side was called that way because on those old viking boats, the rudder was a big paddle on the right side.
- jacobush 8y ago
  old Germanic if I may :)
  - elcapitan 8y ago
    That's actually not correct - Germanic is the name for the group, while actual languages are German. Old High German, Middle High German, etc.
    - depressedpanda 8y ago
      Well you argued (without providing any references) that Norwegian "styrbord" was probably from Old German. Given your example of Viking longboats I find it far more likely that the word is from Old Norse. Hence Germanic is correct, but German highly unlikely. Given the history of the British isles, I would also venture that English is more influenced by Old Norse than Old German.
      - elcapitan 8y ago
        My correction was merely about the usage of "Germanic" vs specific languages with regard to "old" ;) In general classifying it as "Germanic" is correct, yes. My original distinction was more intended to be about the difference between originally Germanic words vs Scandinavian-only ones. It's probably hard to tell in which of the languages (Norse, German, English) it originated, because there are little sources in that time (talking mid-first millennium here). From what I know German is a little older than Old Norse (700 vs 900). Regarding "viking boats", I used that as an example for a type of boat, I'm pretty sure it was a common way of building boats at the time - the Romans used similar rudders. The concept would have been known to all people building ships.

dmix 8y ago

Interesting, I love modern journalism. Why doesn't the tanker have better lighting at the back of the ship? It seems to only be easily visible on the front-side from far away. Although I'm not trained to be able to spot a dark ship against the horizon it looked pretty challenging using the night view.

rue 8y ago
Ship lighting is standardised and very specific (you can always tell which way a ship is facing by the lights for example). I’m not an expert in visual science, but I suspect it is easier to tell _multiple_ ships apart when they have fewer lights. ETA: https://www.marineinsight.com/marine-navigation/understanding-the-importance-of-marine-navigation-lighting/ https://www.marineinsight.com/marine-navigation/understandin...

nicwolff 8y ago

Interesting – the animation doesn't show red/green lights on the Sola's bow, only way back on the wings – I'm a sailor and I find it very hard to guess where the Sola's prow is as she gets closer in the "Helge Ingstad natt" view.