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I wonder if many traditional medicine systems has some inkling of it?

8bitsrule 8y ago
Quite possibly ... not too long ago, knowing what you could and couldn't eat and the effects were surely part of oral tradition. E.G. US natives knowledge of the pain-killing effects of 'something' in birchbark existed long before Bayer synthesized the same chemical in the late 1800s.
- IndrekR 8y ago
  Willow, not birch. Salix in latin as in salicylic acid.
  - 8bitsrule 8y ago
    Willow, and yes birch ('canoe birch' = white). Each is probably preferred where it's more common. Fur trappers knew about birch where willow was rare, and BTW long before Herr Bayer was born. EG https://www.survivopedia.com/how-to-make-your-own-aspirin-for-survival/ https://www.survivopedia.com/how-to-make-your-own-aspirin-fo... EG https://www.anniesremedy.com/betula-alba-birch-bark-leaf.php https://www.anniesremedy.com/betula-alba-birch-bark-leaf.php
Santosh83 8y ago
Yes. The traditional Indian medicinal system called Ayurveda (as well as traditional Indian culture in general) regarded food as a form of medicine. Every form of food could potentially affect your body in various ways and many disorders and diseases were treated by either modifying the diet or by special herbal concoctions (as the concept of synthetic, molecular medicine wasn't discovered back then)... it makes sense for preventing many lifestyle related problems.
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- kr4 8y ago
  I'd recommend [0] as a reading on this topic. The Welness Sense ... combines the yogic view of food as sattvic, rajasic and tamasic with Ayurvedic perspective and further relates it to the modern view of foods as acidic and alkaline. This is also the first time that Ayurvedic prakriti (vata, pitta and kapha) has been discussed in the context of yogic prakriti (sattvic, rajasic and tamasic) in a truly cohesive fashion. The Wellness Sense extracts the essence of Ayurveda, yoga and tantra to combine it with modern medicine in this simple, step-by-step handbook on how to take better care of yourself. Accessibly written, deeply researched and distilled from Om Swami’s own lived experience, The Wellness Sense puts your health and happiness in your hands. 0: http://omswami.com/book/the-wellness-sense http://omswami.com/book/the-wellness-sense
newsbinator 8y ago
Possibly, but the problem is it's not rigorous. If your doctor tells you to do 10 things, where 1 of them is the right move, 1 of them is dangerous, and 8 of them are placebos... then you don't really have a doctor.
trhway 8y ago
sample of one. Lactulose breath test confirmed SIBO with pretty high levels of both - hydrogen(78) and methane(29). Antibiotics didn't really work and resulted just in a minor improvement (depending on study, the antibiotics work in 30%-70% cases). The GE was very reluctant to prescribe even the second antibiotic, and lectured me on very low chances for success in the long term anyway as the issue tends to return soon even when antibiotics work ("we can't give you antibiotic every month, cant we?"). When the 2nd didn't work too, i didn't see a chance to make him prescribe the 3rd. So i went with traditional methods and medicines (interesting that the traditional way in addition to addressing direct manifestation - ie. bacterial overgrowth in this case - also focuses on root causes which wasn't the case with the GE). That worked (slowly, took few months), and the maintenance mode is far cry from the supposed monthly or whatever periodic begging of the GE for antibiotic (i didn't like his approach, yet i understand that being board certified he most probably has very good reason for his position/approach as, in particular, frequent use of antibiotics is known to be not a good thing).
- belltaco 8y ago
  What traditional methods did you use?
  - trhway 8y ago
    (IANAMD, and not promoting any method/supplement, just sharing my personal experience and thoughts/speculations) Started with salt flushes (osmotic laxative action to weaken/break/wash away the biofilms as antibiotic studies, in particular for SIBO, frequently hypothesize that bacteria organizing into biofilm is a reason for the antibiotic inefficiency) almost daily at the beginning tapered down to once per 2-3 weeks currently plus the oregano oil, artemisia extract, berberine, garlic (fresh when i can and tablets when i cant) and HCL supplementation (each of this alone i tried over the years and they all had shown noticeable improvements, while taken together they produced much stronger effect for me - not surprising given our current knowledge of multi-species bacteria colonies like the one in SIBO)

Quite possibly ... not too long ago, knowing what you could and couldn't eat and the effects were surely part of oral tradition. E.G. US natives knowledge of the pain-killing effects of 'something' in birchbark existed long before Bayer synthesized the same chemical in the late 1800s.

IndrekR 8y ago
Willow, not birch. Salix in latin as in salicylic acid.
- 8bitsrule 8y ago
  Willow, and yes birch ('canoe birch' = white). Each is probably preferred where it's more common. Fur trappers knew about birch where willow was rare, and BTW long before Herr Bayer was born. EG https://www.survivopedia.com/how-to-make-your-own-aspirin-for-survival/ https://www.survivopedia.com/how-to-make-your-own-aspirin-fo... EG https://www.anniesremedy.com/betula-alba-birch-bark-leaf.php https://www.anniesremedy.com/betula-alba-birch-bark-leaf.php

Santosh83 8y ago

Yes. The traditional Indian medicinal system called Ayurveda (as well as traditional Indian culture in general) regarded food as a form of medicine. Every form of food could potentially affect your body in various ways and many disorders and diseases were treated by either modifying the diet or by special herbal concoctions (as the concept of synthetic, molecular medicine wasn't discovered back then)... it makes sense for preventing many lifestyle related problems.

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kr4 8y ago
I'd recommend [0] as a reading on this topic. The Welness Sense ... combines the yogic view of food as sattvic, rajasic and tamasic with Ayurvedic perspective and further relates it to the modern view of foods as acidic and alkaline. This is also the first time that Ayurvedic prakriti (vata, pitta and kapha) has been discussed in the context of yogic prakriti (sattvic, rajasic and tamasic) in a truly cohesive fashion. The Wellness Sense extracts the essence of Ayurveda, yoga and tantra to combine it with modern medicine in this simple, step-by-step handbook on how to take better care of yourself. Accessibly written, deeply researched and distilled from Om Swami’s own lived experience, The Wellness Sense puts your health and happiness in your hands. 0: http://omswami.com/book/the-wellness-sense http://omswami.com/book/the-wellness-sense

newsbinator 8y ago

Possibly, but the problem is it's not rigorous. If your doctor tells you to do 10 things, where 1 of them is the right move, 1 of them is dangerous, and 8 of them are placebos... then you don't really have a doctor.

trhway 8y ago

sample of one. Lactulose breath test confirmed SIBO with pretty high levels of both - hydrogen(78) and methane(29). Antibiotics didn't really work and resulted just in a minor improvement (depending on study, the antibiotics work in 30%-70% cases). The GE was very reluctant to prescribe even the second antibiotic, and lectured me on very low chances for success in the long term anyway as the issue tends to return soon even when antibiotics work ("we can't give you antibiotic every month, cant we?"). When the 2nd didn't work too, i didn't see a chance to make him prescribe the 3rd. So i went with traditional methods and medicines (interesting that the traditional way in addition to addressing direct manifestation - ie. bacterial overgrowth in this case - also focuses on root causes which wasn't the case with the GE). That worked (slowly, took few months), and the maintenance mode is far cry from the supposed monthly or whatever periodic begging of the GE for antibiotic (i didn't like his approach, yet i understand that being board certified he most probably has very good reason for his position/approach as, in particular, frequent use of antibiotics is known to be not a good thing).

belltaco 8y ago
What traditional methods did you use?
- trhway 8y ago
  (IANAMD, and not promoting any method/supplement, just sharing my personal experience and thoughts/speculations) Started with salt flushes (osmotic laxative action to weaken/break/wash away the biofilms as antibiotic studies, in particular for SIBO, frequently hypothesize that bacteria organizing into biofilm is a reason for the antibiotic inefficiency) almost daily at the beginning tapered down to once per 2-3 weeks currently plus the oregano oil, artemisia extract, berberine, garlic (fresh when i can and tablets when i cant) and HCL supplementation (each of this alone i tried over the years and they all had shown noticeable improvements, while taken together they produced much stronger effect for me - not surprising given our current knowledge of multi-species bacteria colonies like the one in SIBO)