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Compiz famously preceded Windows Aero, really rubbing it in how hard Microsoft failed at the Vista launch. A small team made Windows great futuristic new OS loo

by tinco 8y ago

Compiz famously preceded Windows Aero, really rubbing it in how hard Microsoft failed at the Vista launch. A small team made Windows great futuristic new OS look dated before it even came out.

21 8y ago
That's not how I recall it. > The first version of Compiz was released as free software by Novell (SUSE) in January 2006 > Build 5048 (built on April 1, 2005) was the official WinHEC 2005 preview build, ... The Aero visual style made its first appearance in this build Sure, technically Compiz was released before since the official Vista release date was Nov 2006, but work on Compiz started AFTER Aero was shown.
- Elv13 8y ago
  Well, actually, most compiz features were first show in WinHEC 2003. Novell copied the demo 3 years later with the misguided XGL implementation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0idaN0MY1U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0idaN0MY1U The funny thing about XGL is how ahead of its time it was. In some way, it still is. Building desktop OS on top of game engine is a trend starting to take hold. Newer Linux Mesa GLAMOR acceleration is just that. Qt6 will brings this to tons of embedded devices near you. Modern SOC are more efficient when pushing GUI into 3D space.
  - vlovich123 8y ago
    That’s not actually true. The majority job of a GUI is text rendering. I recommend reading some of Raph Levien’s posts on the matter. It’s really hard to get quality GPU-accelerated text rendering. Games don’t have this requirement because they draw very little text and it’s stylistic so all the high-quality text rendering requirements are bypassed. Moreover they also probably remove the need for arbitrary Unicode whereas GUIs can frequently not make such a simplification. It’ll be interesting to see what performance gains are realized keeping in mind from a battery perspective the GPU may be sufficiently more power hungry that the efficiency gains are insufficient to make it more power efficient.
- cyphar 8y ago
  > but work on Compiz started AFTER Aero was shown. I'm not sure it's necessarily true they started development after Aero. They released it 8 months later. Did it only take 8 months for the first release?
  - dijit 8y ago
    The author also omits beryl, which was the real beginning of compiz.
    - cpuguy83 8y ago
      Maybe my history is fuzzy, but I seem to recall beryl being a fork of compiz which eventually came back into the fold.
      - dijit 8y ago
        Actually. It was my history that was fuzzy, according to Wikipedia you’re right.
lillesvin 8y ago
I also recall seeing Project Looking Glass[0] demo'd way back in the early 2000s. People were definitely having fun with/exploring the desktop metaphor in those years. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass
- fredsted 8y ago
  Thanks for this, I saw a demo of this years ago and I found the ability to write a note on the back of windows very fascinating, and for years I couldn't remember what it is.
- jsiepkes 8y ago
  Steve Jobs even felt threatened enough by looking glass to call Jonathan Schwartz (Sun's CEO) and tried to intimidate him: https://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/ https://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/good-arti...

by tinco 8y ago

Compiz famously preceded Windows Aero, really rubbing it in how hard Microsoft failed at the Vista launch. A small team made Windows great futuristic new OS look dated before it even came out.

21 8y ago

That's not how I recall it. > The first version of Compiz was released as free software by Novell (SUSE) in January 2006 > Build 5048 (built on April 1, 2005) was the official WinHEC 2005 preview build, ... The Aero visual style made its first appearance in this build Sure, technically Compiz was released before since the official Vista release date was Nov 2006, but work on Compiz started AFTER Aero was shown.

Elv13 8y ago
Well, actually, most compiz features were first show in WinHEC 2003. Novell copied the demo 3 years later with the misguided XGL implementation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0idaN0MY1U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0idaN0MY1U The funny thing about XGL is how ahead of its time it was. In some way, it still is. Building desktop OS on top of game engine is a trend starting to take hold. Newer Linux Mesa GLAMOR acceleration is just that. Qt6 will brings this to tons of embedded devices near you. Modern SOC are more efficient when pushing GUI into 3D space.
- vlovich123 8y ago
  That’s not actually true. The majority job of a GUI is text rendering. I recommend reading some of Raph Levien’s posts on the matter. It’s really hard to get quality GPU-accelerated text rendering. Games don’t have this requirement because they draw very little text and it’s stylistic so all the high-quality text rendering requirements are bypassed. Moreover they also probably remove the need for arbitrary Unicode whereas GUIs can frequently not make such a simplification. It’ll be interesting to see what performance gains are realized keeping in mind from a battery perspective the GPU may be sufficiently more power hungry that the efficiency gains are insufficient to make it more power efficient.
cyphar 8y ago
> but work on Compiz started AFTER Aero was shown. I'm not sure it's necessarily true they started development after Aero. They released it 8 months later. Did it only take 8 months for the first release?
- dijit 8y ago
  The author also omits beryl, which was the real beginning of compiz.
  - cpuguy83 8y ago
    Maybe my history is fuzzy, but I seem to recall beryl being a fork of compiz which eventually came back into the fold.
    - dijit 8y ago
      Actually. It was my history that was fuzzy, according to Wikipedia you’re right.

lillesvin 8y ago

I also recall seeing Project Looking Glass[0] demo'd way back in the early 2000s. People were definitely having fun with/exploring the desktop metaphor in those years. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass

fredsted 8y ago
Thanks for this, I saw a demo of this years ago and I found the ability to write a note on the back of windows very fascinating, and for years I couldn't remember what it is.
jsiepkes 8y ago
Steve Jobs even felt threatened enough by looking glass to call Jonathan Schwartz (Sun's CEO) and tried to intimidate him: https://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/ https://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/good-arti...