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What do you mean, as well? That's the only bit you didn't ignore.. and it's useful for when you draw your own cursor in WebGL. I can't think of a single time I

What do you mean, as well? That's the only bit you didn't ignore.. and it's useful for when you draw your own cursor in WebGL. I can't think of a single time I ever saw it abused, I guess I don't frequent the kind of website that would.

JohnFen 8y ago
By "as well", I mean "as well as objecting to web devs being able to alter the appearance of browser controls". Yes, I do see the usefulness of being able to do all of those things, but in practice, I don't appreciate it when it's done. I'm not saying that it's abusive (and I'm not talking about egregious misuse of these abilities), I'm just saying that I personally dislike it when sites do this sort of thing. I fear that I've come off as too militant on these issues -- as a web dev, you should do what you deem best. As a user, if your choices are too annoying to me, I'll just avoid your site. I think this whole thing just plays into a personal issue I have over the web these days... from a usability and aesthetic standpoint, the web has been noticeably declining for me over the past few years.
- PavlovsCat 8y ago
  > I do see the usefulness of being able to do all of those things, but in practice, I don't appreciate it when it's done. That I can certainly agree with. I also think users should be able to override and customize things... ideally, everybody gets more options? And user agents should absolutely be user agents, instead of brochure displays. While design may be somewhat subjective, I also think websites are getting worse. If that's a "personal issue", we both have it :D Just the last one I just looked at, that made me think "why? who is this for?" https://www.opensuse.org/ https://www.opensuse.org/ vs. https://web.archive.org/web/20081210082207/http://www.opensuse.org/en/ https://web.archive.org/web/20081210082207/http://www.opensu... I just think marketing (and mobile?) play a much larger role in the downfall of the web and the rise of generic copy drowning in padding, than all the stuff we can do with CSS.

JohnFen 8y ago

By "as well", I mean "as well as objecting to web devs being able to alter the appearance of browser controls". Yes, I do see the usefulness of being able to do all of those things, but in practice, I don't appreciate it when it's done. I'm not saying that it's abusive (and I'm not talking about egregious misuse of these abilities), I'm just saying that I personally dislike it when sites do this sort of thing. I fear that I've come off as too militant on these issues -- as a web dev, you should do what you deem best. As a user, if your choices are too annoying to me, I'll just avoid your site. I think this whole thing just plays into a personal issue I have over the web these days... from a usability and aesthetic standpoint, the web has been noticeably declining for me over the past few years.

PavlovsCat 8y ago
> I do see the usefulness of being able to do all of those things, but in practice, I don't appreciate it when it's done. That I can certainly agree with. I also think users should be able to override and customize things... ideally, everybody gets more options? And user agents should absolutely be user agents, instead of brochure displays. While design may be somewhat subjective, I also think websites are getting worse. If that's a "personal issue", we both have it :D Just the last one I just looked at, that made me think "why? who is this for?" https://www.opensuse.org/ https://www.opensuse.org/ vs. https://web.archive.org/web/20081210082207/http://www.opensuse.org/en/ https://web.archive.org/web/20081210082207/http://www.opensu... I just think marketing (and mobile?) play a much larger role in the downfall of the web and the rise of generic copy drowning in padding, than all the stuff we can do with CSS.