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> Scrollbar One thing I like about the Firefox (Gtk?) scrollbar is that it finally removed (a few version ago already) the "Click on it somewhere, but it doesn

> Scrollbar One thing I like about the Firefox (Gtk?) scrollbar is that it finally removed (a few version ago already) the "Click on it somewhere, but it doesn't move there but just acts like PgDown/Up", i.e. the non-warping to the exact click position but just inching towards it. This is completely unnecessary in the time of wheels and touchpads and I already miss it everywhere else.

acqq 8y ago
> This is completely unnecessary It is completely necessary for me to have “move one page up on click.”
- zeotroph 8y ago
  But, that is what PgUp/PgDown are for on the keyboard, no? When you are navigating in these discrete steps why use the mouse, which is excellent for continuous input. If I click on something, I want to go THERE, not in the direction of it. "But we have always done it in this (imo illogical) way" is just being stubborn.
  - acqq 8y ago
    > that is what PgUp/PgDown are for on the keyboard, no? Definitely no: If I have a hand on the mouse I surely don't want to lift it and hunt for the PgUp or PgDown just to move one page up or down. And no, I don't want to go "there" if it's actually "somewhere" in the middle of whatever, if I just want to see the previous or the next page. Going "there" is much less frequent operation than moving to the next or the previous page.
    - zeotroph 8y ago
      So, that means a PgDown button (I guess it is mostly that direction) on the mouse is missing. The thumb button which most mice have and are mapped to forward/backwards could be remapped to that. Or a mouse gesture? FoxyGestures, a Firefox addon, has a "Scroll Down" action.
      - acqq 8y ago
        > The thumb button which most mice have "Most"? Where did you get that idea? "Most gaming mice" or what? Most of the users aren't gamers. > that means a PgDown button (I guess it is mostly that direction) on the mouse is missing. Of course is missing: "normal" (as in the most common) mice have only 2 buttons and the scroll wheel. The scroll wheel never moves one page up (or down), but just some small number of lines, so the most common operation is then impossible for the most of the users just because a developer (who probably even "lives" in his terminal for most of the time, never lifting the both hands from the middle of the keyboard) thinks that everybody has exactly the gear that he has.
      - mixmastamyk 8y ago
        No, no changes were necessary and another thing that has to be fixed on a new install. For decades it has been: - left click - page up/down - middle click - go directly to this point. Moving one of these to the other is confusing and a loss of useful functionality. Reminds me of "chesterton's fence."
  - ukyrgf 8y ago
    It's not stubborn to design your application to work as users have come to expect.
  - iSnow 8y ago
    A lot (most?) Laptop keyboards don't have pgup/pgdown or it is hidden behind some shift-ctrl-fumbling. For most longer texts, I hate "click to here" on the scrollbars. It's impossible to get it right. Them working as pgup/down makes much more sense.
  - acdha 8y ago
    If you have a keyboard which has those and it doesn’t require moving your hand off of the mouse to hit them, it might be easier. Many smaller keyboards (e.g. most laptops or Apple’s non-pro keyboards) either omit them entirely or require a modifier key.
- axiometry 8y ago
  Do you think that the majority of users feel the same way? I don't.
bbx 8y ago
Yeah I prefer that behaviour too. Luckily on MacOS, this is a global setting: https://www.lifewire.com/change-how-macs-scroll-bars-work-2260834 https://www.lifewire.com/change-how-macs-scroll-bars-work-22...
kettlecorn 8y ago
On Windows another lovely scrollbar "feature" is that if you move the mouse too far left while dragging the scrollbar the scrollbar will jump back to where it started. A handful of people love it, most think it's a bug. It's particularly bad if you're using a trackpad. I would theorize that it's not a well known complaint because most people move on quickly and just assume their computer is buggy.

acqq 8y ago

> This is completely unnecessary It is completely necessary for me to have “move one page up on click.”

zeotroph 8y ago
But, that is what PgUp/PgDown are for on the keyboard, no? When you are navigating in these discrete steps why use the mouse, which is excellent for continuous input. If I click on something, I want to go THERE, not in the direction of it. "But we have always done it in this (imo illogical) way" is just being stubborn.
- acqq 8y ago
  > that is what PgUp/PgDown are for on the keyboard, no? Definitely no: If I have a hand on the mouse I surely don't want to lift it and hunt for the PgUp or PgDown just to move one page up or down. And no, I don't want to go "there" if it's actually "somewhere" in the middle of whatever, if I just want to see the previous or the next page. Going "there" is much less frequent operation than moving to the next or the previous page.
  - zeotroph 8y ago
    So, that means a PgDown button (I guess it is mostly that direction) on the mouse is missing. The thumb button which most mice have and are mapped to forward/backwards could be remapped to that. Or a mouse gesture? FoxyGestures, a Firefox addon, has a "Scroll Down" action.
    - acqq 8y ago
      > The thumb button which most mice have "Most"? Where did you get that idea? "Most gaming mice" or what? Most of the users aren't gamers. > that means a PgDown button (I guess it is mostly that direction) on the mouse is missing. Of course is missing: "normal" (as in the most common) mice have only 2 buttons and the scroll wheel. The scroll wheel never moves one page up (or down), but just some small number of lines, so the most common operation is then impossible for the most of the users just because a developer (who probably even "lives" in his terminal for most of the time, never lifting the both hands from the middle of the keyboard) thinks that everybody has exactly the gear that he has.
    - mixmastamyk 8y ago
      No, no changes were necessary and another thing that has to be fixed on a new install. For decades it has been: - left click - page up/down - middle click - go directly to this point. Moving one of these to the other is confusing and a loss of useful functionality. Reminds me of "chesterton's fence."
- ukyrgf 8y ago
  It's not stubborn to design your application to work as users have come to expect.
- iSnow 8y ago
  A lot (most?) Laptop keyboards don't have pgup/pgdown or it is hidden behind some shift-ctrl-fumbling. For most longer texts, I hate "click to here" on the scrollbars. It's impossible to get it right. Them working as pgup/down makes much more sense.
- acdha 8y ago
  If you have a keyboard which has those and it doesn’t require moving your hand off of the mouse to hit them, it might be easier. Many smaller keyboards (e.g. most laptops or Apple’s non-pro keyboards) either omit them entirely or require a modifier key.
axiometry 8y ago
Do you think that the majority of users feel the same way? I don't.

bbx 8y ago

Yeah I prefer that behaviour too. Luckily on MacOS, this is a global setting: https://www.lifewire.com/change-how-macs-scroll-bars-work-2260834 https://www.lifewire.com/change-how-macs-scroll-bars-work-22...

kettlecorn 8y ago

On Windows another lovely scrollbar "feature" is that if you move the mouse too far left while dragging the scrollbar the scrollbar will jump back to where it started. A handful of people love it, most think it's a bug. It's particularly bad if you're using a trackpad. I would theorize that it's not a well known complaint because most people move on quickly and just assume their computer is buggy.