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Could I get some citations? What I've seen coming out of Mozilla over tthe past few years, from DeepSpeech to Rust and Servo appears to be foundational technol

Could I get some citations? What I've seen coming out of Mozilla over tthe past few years, from DeepSpeech to Rust and Servo appears to be foundational technology written by Mozilla engineers. This tech has the potential to do a lot of good, having it be a public resource is important IMO. Mozilla's intentions and fears seem to be very reasonable, driving what they do from AV1 to fighting DRM, though they have hit dead ends with Firefox OS (now Kai OS) and other side projects, the organization is still doing work that is in the best interest of the common person, unlike what the tech giants have been doing.

baybal2 8y ago
> What I've seen coming out of Mozilla over tthe past few years, from DeepSpeech to Rust and Servo appears to be foundational technology written by Mozilla engineers. This tech has the potential to do a lot of good, having it be a public resource is important IMO. Many things been coming out of their house, but not a usable browser — a raison d'etre stated in their charter.
- metildaa 8y ago
  I asked you for citations for your claims, yet instead I get diversion... Wrt having a usable browser, I'm literally using Firefox for Android to talk to you right now. Firefox has been a usable browser for years, seems your salty tho. Please provide citations for: - Incompetent directors flying chartered jets and getting $1M USD remuneration for nothing. - All success Mozilla ever had was due to hard work of volunteer developers - All the money Mozilla directors scored was due to them slicing off the project piece by piece for last 10 years.
  - baybal2 8y ago
    > https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2016/2016_Mozilla_Foundation_Forms_990_Public_Disclosure.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2016/2016_Mozilla_Fo... Page 7. Mitchel Baker 1,054,536. Jim Cook 985,899 And a list of 8 people with six digit salaries, out of whom 4 have their roles not even tangentially related to Mozilla's charter activities. And this is for Mozilla Foundation only. Mozilla corporation (M. F. Technologies) is keeping really below the water in terms of publicity. > All success Mozilla ever had was due to hard work of volunteer developers All popularity Firefox had gained was in time of it being a community project, when Mozilla did nothing but provide a CVS server and a bugzilla. You should've seen how they bled user share the more they turned into a commercial business for the past 17 years. > All the money Mozilla directors scored was due to them slicing off the project piece by piece for last 10 years. First take their revenue from getting generous payouts from Google, then from all others affiliate programs, including the ill famed pocket. $300m is a not a joke sum, very generous, more than they pay to any other affiliate http://allthingsd.com/20111222/google-will-pay-mozilla-almost-300m-per-year-in-search-deal-besting-microsoft-and-yahoo/ http://allthingsd.com/20111222/google-will-pay-mozilla-almos...
- dragonsngoblins 8y ago
  "Many things been coming out of their house, but not a usable browser — a raison d'etre stated in their charter. " And yet here I am reading this on Firefox. Like, I get that someone might prefer Chrome, but how anyone could call FF unusable is baffling to me. What on Earth would make it unusable in your opinion?

baybal2 8y ago

> What I've seen coming out of Mozilla over tthe past few years, from DeepSpeech to Rust and Servo appears to be foundational technology written by Mozilla engineers. This tech has the potential to do a lot of good, having it be a public resource is important IMO. Many things been coming out of their house, but not a usable browser — a raison d'etre stated in their charter.

metildaa 8y ago
I asked you for citations for your claims, yet instead I get diversion... Wrt having a usable browser, I'm literally using Firefox for Android to talk to you right now. Firefox has been a usable browser for years, seems your salty tho. Please provide citations for: - Incompetent directors flying chartered jets and getting $1M USD remuneration for nothing. - All success Mozilla ever had was due to hard work of volunteer developers - All the money Mozilla directors scored was due to them slicing off the project piece by piece for last 10 years.
- baybal2 8y ago
  > https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2016/2016_Mozilla_Foundation_Forms_990_Public_Disclosure.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2016/2016_Mozilla_Fo... Page 7. Mitchel Baker 1,054,536. Jim Cook 985,899 And a list of 8 people with six digit salaries, out of whom 4 have their roles not even tangentially related to Mozilla's charter activities. And this is for Mozilla Foundation only. Mozilla corporation (M. F. Technologies) is keeping really below the water in terms of publicity. > All success Mozilla ever had was due to hard work of volunteer developers All popularity Firefox had gained was in time of it being a community project, when Mozilla did nothing but provide a CVS server and a bugzilla. You should've seen how they bled user share the more they turned into a commercial business for the past 17 years. > All the money Mozilla directors scored was due to them slicing off the project piece by piece for last 10 years. First take their revenue from getting generous payouts from Google, then from all others affiliate programs, including the ill famed pocket. $300m is a not a joke sum, very generous, more than they pay to any other affiliate http://allthingsd.com/20111222/google-will-pay-mozilla-almost-300m-per-year-in-search-deal-besting-microsoft-and-yahoo/ http://allthingsd.com/20111222/google-will-pay-mozilla-almos...
dragonsngoblins 8y ago
"Many things been coming out of their house, but not a usable browser — a raison d'etre stated in their charter. " And yet here I am reading this on Firefox. Like, I get that someone might prefer Chrome, but how anyone could call FF unusable is baffling to me. What on Earth would make it unusable in your opinion?